{"id":314,"date":"2019-05-13T20:24:24","date_gmt":"2019-05-13T18:24:24","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.morain.de\/Marillion\/setlists\/?page_id=314"},"modified":"2026-02-18T14:48:53","modified_gmt":"2026-02-18T13:48:53","slug":"year-1980","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/www.morain.de\/Marillion\/setlists\/year-1980\/","title":{"rendered":"1980"},"content":{"rendered":"<style>\n\t.topSpace {margin-top:40px;}\t\n\t.heading{margin-bottom:15px;}\n\t.grid6.gridItem {margin-right:10px; width:49.4%;}\n\t.grid6.gridItemLast {margin-right:0px; width:49.4%;}\n<\/style>\n<h1 class=\"topSpace\">1977 &#8211; 1980<\/h1>\n<h2 class=\"headline\">From Electric Gypsy To Marillion<\/h2>\n<ul class=\"toggle color1 mar1\">\n<li class=\"color1\">\n<h3 class=\"tgg-title\">Mick Pointer<\/h3>\n<div class=\"tgg-content\" style=\"display: none;\">\n\t\t\t<a target=\"_blanck\" href=\"http:\/\/www.aylesburyfriars.co.uk\/interviewsmickpointer.html\" title=\"FRIARS Aylesbury Online: Mick Pointer - Marillion, Local Legends\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">In His Own Words&#8230;<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">&quot;This photo is of <a class=\"openfancybox-image\" href=\"\/Marillion\/setlists\/wp-content\/uploads\/img\/Marillion - Electric Gypsy - 1978.jpg\" title=\"Electric Gypsy - 1978\">Electric Gypsy<\/a> (Doug Irvine &#8211; Bass, Alan King &#8211; Vocals, Andy Glass &#8211; Guitars and me), I&#8217;m pretty sure this is 1978.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">As far as anyone can remember, late in 1977, while I was practising in my Mum and Dads coal shed (yep, they used to exist), our long-suffering neighbours had a daughter, that had just got engaged to be married, and he happened to be the drummer in <em>Electric Gypsy<\/em>. He was (sorry, can\u2019t remember his name) was packing it in to get married, and it was suggested I audition for the band and I did and got the drum stool.<\/p>\n<div class=\"row pic picRow\">\n<div class=\"grid6 gridItem\"><a class=\"openfancybox-image\" href=\"\/Marillion\/setlists\/wp-content\/uploads\/img\/Marillion - Ticket - Electric Gypsy - 15.12.1977.jpg\" title=\"Ticket: Electric Gypsy - Stone Village Hall, Aylesbury - 15.12.1977\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"\/Marillion\/setlists\/wp-content\/uploads\/img\/Marillion - MSS - 1980 - Electric Gypsy - Ticket - 1977.jpg\" title=\"Ticket: Electric Gypsy - Stone Village Hall, Aylesbury - 15.12.1977\" alt=\"Ticket: Electric Gypsy - Stone Village Hall, Aylesbury - 15.12.1977\" height=\"193\" width=\"420\" \/><\/a><\/div>\n<div class=\"grid6 gridItemLast\"><a class=\"openfancybox-image\" href=\"\/Marillion\/setlists\/wp-content\/uploads\/img\/Marillion - Ticket - Electric Gypsy - 31.08.1978.jpg\" title=\"Ticket: Electric Gypsy - Maxwell Hall, Aylesbury - 31.08.1978\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"\/Marillion\/setlists\/wp-content\/uploads\/img\/Marillion - MSS - 1980 - Electric Gypsy - Ticket - 1978.jpg\" title=\"Ticket: Electric Gypsy - Maxwell Hall, Aylesbury - 31.08.1978\" alt=\"Ticket: Electric Gypsy - Maxwell Hall, Aylesbury - 31.08.1978\" height=\"193\" width=\"420\" \/><\/a><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"picRow mar1\"><i class=\"icon-info-circled\"><\/i> Tickets provided by Rupert Akerman &#8211; Thanks to Stephan Br\u00fcninghoff<\/div>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Me and Doug got on particularly well (I did with the other guys), but me and Doug hit it off immediately and had a shared love of the same sort of music and how a band should be and run at, so at some point in 1978 we parted with Alan and Andy and went about forming our own band and our own musical direction. Doug was reading <em>Silmarillion<\/em> at the time and I suggested that, it would be a great name for the band. So there you have it, band and music ideas in place, just needed the keyboard player and guitarist, no vocals required &#8211; <em>Silmarillion<\/em> was always planned to be an instrumental band.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">With Neil Cockle on keys and Martin Jenner on guitar and the set written. We managed one gig at the Hambrough Tavern in Southall, London that happen to coincide with the riots&#8230; yeah, great timing, and we got out in time and that was it, no more <em>Silmarillion<\/em> (not going into details why) but I suggested that we should remove two letters from the front of the name, because of the two members leaving. But we would have ended up with <em>lmarillion<\/em>&#8230; that didn&#8217;t look or sound right, so I said <em>Marillion<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">We started the whole process all over again, which I&#8217;m sure, you have plenty details about, but I just wanted to point out, Doug Irvine was a larger part of the history, he never seems to get mentioned much, when I get the chance I do (did an interview with a Polish magazine last week and I did). When I spoke to Doug, he hasn&#8217;t followed what&#8217;s gone on much, but I think it&#8217;s about time, he was acknowledged&#8230; and &#8220;others&#8221; that like to tell you, that they formed the band &#8211; now you know they didn&#8217;t! With the exception of me and Doug&#8230; everyone else joined&#8230;&quot;<\/p>\n<p>\t\t\t<strong>Interview By Mark McCormac &#8211; 31.07.2019<\/strong><\/p>\n<div style=\"text-align: justify\"><i class=\"icon-videocam\"><\/i> <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=prrSh9p1hms\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">This interview<\/a> (YouTube) was conducted on 31.07.2019. It&#8217;s part of my new Marillion page on Facebook, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.morain.de\/Marillion\/setlists\/markos-marillion-museum\/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">Marko&#8217;s Marillion Museum<\/a>, it&#8217;s an online living museum of the history of the band including solo projects, it includes rare photos, posters, records, memorabilia etc. Here, Mick discusses his early influences, how he became a drummer, <em>Electric Gypsy<\/em>, <em>Silmarillion\/Marillion<\/em>, Doug Irvine, Fish, Mick Pointer Band and <em>Arena<\/em> as well as the music business in general and <em>Arena<\/em>&#8216;s new album and tour. It was so much fun to do and Mick is a great interviewee. Enjoy!<br \/>\n\t\t\t<span class=\"recite\">(Mark McCormac)<\/span><\/div>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul class=\"toggle color1 mar1\">\n<li class=\"color1\">\n<h3 class=\"tgg-title\">Fish<\/h3>\n<div class=\"tgg-content\" style=\"display: none;\">\n\t\t\t<strong>In His Own Words&#8230;<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">&quot;The band, when I was auditioning, was called <em>Not Quite Red Fox<\/em>. The drummer was school friend Gordon Feeney, who asked me along to audition, as their bass player George, who had a great voice, wanted to concentrate on his playing.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">I auditioned twice, but never sang live with them. The closest, I got to a stage, was passing an acoustic guitar to Steve Moss at Aberdeen University in March 1980. The band said, that they liked my voice but thought, that I didn&#8217;t have enough experience. They told me to go away and join another band and when I had some gigs under my belt, that they would reconsider me. I was so pissed off at their attitude, that I went out immediately and found a gig with <a class=\"openfancybox-image\" href=\"\/Marillion\/setlists\/wp-content\/uploads\/img\/Marillion - Blewitt - Fish - 13.12.1980.jpg\" title=\"Blewitt: Fish - Waverley Castle Hotel, Melrose - 13.12.1980 (support for Alexis Korner)\">Blewitt<\/a> in Galashiels with the sole intention of proving them wrong. It was <a class=\"openfancybox-image\" href=\"\/Marillion\/setlists\/wp-content\/uploads\/img\/Marillion - Blewitt - Fish - 13.12.1980.jpg\" title=\"Blewitt: Fish - Waverley Castle Hotel, Melrose - 13.12.1980 (support for Alexis Korner)\">Blewitt<\/a> that gave me my first chance and set me up for the Marillion gig.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><em>Not Quite Red Fox<\/em> were heavily influenced by <em>Genesis<\/em> and <em>Gentle Giant<\/em>, and I still have a tape of them somewhere. They won a &quot;most original name&quot; contest in a weekly music paper called (I think) <em>Musicians Only<\/em> and played in a &quot;Battle of the Bands&quot; contest at Lutons <em>Mad Hatters Nightclub<\/em>, where George, the singer, came to the attention of another band on the bill that night, who were looking for a replacement for their bassist\/vocalist. Yep! You got it! Marillion wanted George to replace Doug Irvine. It never happened because they didn&#8217;t know how to contact him.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">In late 80 George had a bad car accident and smashed up his arm and fingers. He disappeared with a bad drink problem. Gordon joined a number of progressive bands, after giving up the dream of being the next <em>Budgie<\/em> (he was a big <em>Banshees<\/em> fan) and even auditioned for Marillion, before Jonathan Mover eventually took the drum stool temporarily. He had become very cynical toward the music scene and I still think, that he deliberately blew the audition. He was a great drummer and went on to join one of the Citizen Cain bands in the late 80&#8217;s. I never heard from him again.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Steve Moss, who was the main decision maker in <em>Not Quite&#8230;<\/em>, turned up at the <em>Funny Farm Studio<\/em>, to record with <em>Avalon<\/em> a few years back. Never has so much Humble Pie been consumed at one sitting. TBH, I had forgotten the 1980 incident, as so much had passed under the bridge since then. He was so embarrassed, it was embarrassing. I actually sincerely thanked him, as without the humiliation of those auditions, I would have never been propelled into Marillion. It&#8217;s a funny old world!&quot;<\/p>\n<p>\t\t\t<strong>Interview With Fish By Neil Gaiman, Knave &#8211; 1984<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">&#8220;At school I was very fat and people took the piss out of me, and that hurt. And I found, that if you turn it around, you can take the piss out of yourself and make them laugh, and you immediately become a character. The jester. I hated music at school &#8211; I was thrown out of the school choir. I drifted through school and got into forestry, through the romantic vision &#8211; the forester is a character. But then I found, it wasn&#8217;t something out of the ordinary. It&#8217;s just another shitty job. So I wanted to join a band. On paper, it was a terrible decision &#8211; I had a year to go on this forestry course, with a guaranteed job at the end&#8230; I though, right, I&#8217;m joining a band. All my friends and my family thought, that I was mad. It was a very hairy time. I spent the next six months doing auditions, and then in 1981 I joined Marillion.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">And because I&#8217;d given up so much, I infected the rest of the band with my enthusiasm. I never actually sat back and thought, I was going to fail. That may seem incredibly arrogant and big-headed, but I never considered failure. I knew, it was going to happen. It was, as if all the confidence, I&#8217;d never had when I was in high school, suddenly reared up and gave me this huge push.&#8221;<br \/>\n\t\t\t<span class=\"recite\">(Claus Nygaard: <a href=\"http:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20090415060940if_\/http:\/\/www.marillion.rocks.it:80\/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">In Shades Of Green Through Shades Of Blue &#8211; The Story of Marillion with Fish<\/a>)<\/span><\/p>\n<p>\t\t\t<strong>Marillion Video Podcast &#8211; Fish &#8211; 20.12.2013<\/strong><\/p>\n<div style=\"text-align: justify\" class=\"lineup\"><i class=\"icon-videocam\"><\/i> Fish talks in an <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=LoexK1Zdkng\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">Interview with Jeff Denis<\/a> (YouTube) about the early Marillion days 1980-1983.<\/div>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul class=\"toggle color1 mar1\">\n<li class=\"color1\">\n<h3 class=\"tgg-title\">Carol Clarke<\/h3>\n<div class=\"tgg-content\" style=\"display: none;\">\n\t\t\tCarol Clarke: <a class=\"openfancybox-image\" href=\"\/Marillion\/setlists\/wp-content\/uploads\/img\/Marillion - Book - Marillion In Words And Pictures [Front] - Carol Clerk.jpg\" title=\"Book: Carol Clarke - Marillion In Words &amp; Pictures (1985)\">Marillion In Words &amp; Pictures<\/a> (1985)<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">&quot;The story begins in Aylesbury, Bucks, at Christmas 1978, when drummer <em>Mick Pointer<\/em> formed a four-piece instrumental group called <em>Silmarillion<\/em> &#8211; named after the book by <em>Lord Of The Rings<\/em> author <em>J.R.R. Tolkien<\/em>. After only one gig, the guitarist left, and the band advertised in the music press for a replacement.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">One Sunday morning in the summer of 1979, <em>Steve Rothery<\/em> arrived unannounced from Whitby, Yorkshire, and walked into the job. <em>Steve<\/em> was a self-taught musician, who&#8217;d previously played with a series of school bands.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">A local keyboard player &#8211; <em>Brian Jelleyman<\/em> &#8211; came into the line-up in August, and <em>Silmarillion<\/em> finally began to take shape. They played their first gig at Berkhamsted Civic Centre on 01.03.1980, to a less than ecstatic response from the crowd. Undeterred, they agreed on a policy of taking every gig that was going, and chalked up a further 13 dates.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">The line-up changed yet again in November with the departure of the bass player. The group, by this time, had decided to recruit a vocalist, so both vacancies were advertised in <em>Melody Maker<\/em>. <em>Mick<\/em> and <em>Steve<\/em> were particularly interested in one call from a couple of chaps in Scotland and duly sent the applicants a tape of <em>The Web<\/em> (instrumental). Fish arrived in Aylesbury several days later with all his luggage, a complete set of lyrics for <em>The Web<\/em> and a bassist called <em>Diz Minnitt<\/em>.<\/p>\n<div style=\"text-align: justify\">Fish worked his way through a variety of small and unsatisfying bands and an even larger number of unsatisfying jobs: a garage attendant, a student with the Forestry Commission, a tree surgeon, a dole office desk man and a quality inspector for garden sprinklers! Marillion, who by now had dropped the <em>Sil<\/em>, were pleased to offer the former lumberjack and his mate <em>Diz<\/em> the vacant positions in the band. They went into rehearsal straight away and played their first gig at the <em>Bicester Red Lion<\/em> on 14.03.1981. They soon came to the attention of a character called <em>David Stopps<\/em>, manager of the <em>Aylesbury Friars<\/em> venue, who helped them as support to <em>John Cooper Clarke<\/em> during <em>Aylesbury Arts Week<\/em> in May and helped arrange more dates on their behalf.&quot;<\/div>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<h2 class=\"headline\">Silmarillion And Marillion &#8211; A Timeline<\/h2>\n<ul class=\"toggle color1 mar1\">\n<li class=\"color1\">\n<h3 class=\"tgg-title\">Info Sources<\/h3>\n<div class=\"tgg-content\" style=\"display: none;\">\n<ul class=\"content-description\">\n<li>Infos taken from and\/or compared with:<\/li>\n<li><i class=\"icon-camera\"><\/i> The Web: <a class=\"openfancybox-image\" href=\"\/Marillion\/setlists\/wp-content\/uploads\/img\/gallery\/Marillion - The Web 01 - 02.jpg\" title=\"The Web: Issue No. 1 - February 1982 (page 1)\">Issue No. 1<\/a> &#8211; February 1982<\/li>\n<li><i class=\"icon-camera\"><\/i> Bandinfo: <a class=\"openfancybox-image\" href=\"\/Marillion\/setlists\/wp-content\/uploads\/img\/Marillion - Bandinfo - EMI - 1982 [Page 1].jpg\" rel=\"lightbox[bandinfo1982]\" title=\"Bandinfo: ''Marillion - A History'' - EMI - 1982\">Marillion &#8211; A History<\/a> &#8211; 1982<a class=\"openfancybox-image\" href=\"\/Marillion\/setlists\/wp-content\/uploads\/img\/Marillion - Bandinfo - EMI - 1982 [Page 2].jpg\" rel=\"lightbox[bandinfo1982]\" title=\"Bandinfo: ''Marillion - A History'' - EMI - 1982\"><\/a><\/li>\n<li><i class=\"icon-info-circled\"><\/i> Mick Wall: Market Square Heroes &#8211; The Authorized Story Of Marillion (1987)<\/li>\n<li><i class=\"icon-info-circled\"><\/i> Clive Gifford: <a target=\"_blanck\" href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.co.uk\/Marillion-Script-Clive-Gifford\/dp\/0711911134\" title=\"Clive Gifford: The Script - An Illustrated Biography\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">The Script &#8211; An Illustrated Biography <\/a> (1987)<\/li>\n<li><i class=\"icon-info-circled\"><\/i> Jon Collins: <a target=\"_blanck\" href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Marillion-Separated-Complete-History-1979-2002\/dp\/1900924498\" title=\"Jon Collins: Marillion\/Separated Out - The Complete History 1979-2002 - The Complete History 1979-2002\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Marillion\/Separated Out &#8211; The Complete History 1979-2002<\/a> (2003)<\/li>\n<li><i class=\"icon-camera\"><\/i> Jon Collins: <a class=\"openfancybox-image\" href=\"\/Marillion\/setlists\/wp-content\/uploads\/img\/Marillion - Book - Family Tree [1977-Present].jpg\" title=\"Jon Collins - Separated Out: Marillion Family Tree (1977-Present)\">Marillion Family Tree<\/a> (1977-Present)<\/li>\n<li><i class=\"icon-info-circled\"><\/i> Claus Nygaard: <a target=\"_blanck\" href=\"http:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20090415060940if_\/http:\/\/www.marillion.rocks.it:80\/\" title=\"Claus Nygaard: In Shades Of Green Through Shades Of Blue - The Story of Marillion with Fish\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">In Shades Of Green Through Shades Of Blue &#8211; The Story of Marillion with Fish<\/a> (2002)<\/li>\n<li><i class=\"icon-info-circled\"><\/i> Mike Eldon: <a target=\"_blanck\" href=\"https:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20060512113949\/http:\/\/www.eldonm.freeserve.co.uk\/\" title=\"Mike Eldon: The Saliva Tear - A Look Into The Early Days Of Marillion, 1981 - 1982\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">The Saliva Tear &#8211; A Look Into The Early Days Of Marillion, 1981 &#8211; 1982<\/a> (2006)<\/li>\n<li><i class=\"icon-info-circled\"><\/i> Bill Frech: <a target=\"_blanck\" href=\"https:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20161122131702\/http:\/\/www.billfrech.com\/tourhistory\/\" title=\"Bill Frech: The Story So Far... - The Official Marillion Live Tourhistory\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">The Story So Far&#8230; &#8211; The Official Marillion Live Tourhistory<\/a> (2016)<\/li>\n<li><i class=\"icon-info-circled\"><\/i> Mark McCormac: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.morain.de\/Marillion\/setlists\/markos-marillion-museum\/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">Marko&#8217;s Marillion Museum<\/a><\/li>\n<li><i class=\"icon-info-circled\"><\/i> <a class=\"iframe\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Marillion\">Wikipedia<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul><\/div>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul class=\"toggle color1 mar1\">\n<li class=\"color1\">\n<h3 class=\"tgg-title\">Silmarillion<\/h3>\n<div class=\"tgg-content\" style=\"display: none;\">\n<ul class=\"toggle1\">\n<li class=\"mar1\">\n<h4 class=\"tgg-title\">1977 &#8211; Prehistory: Electric Gypsy<span class=\"flagSetlist\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"flag\" title=\"England\" alt=\"flag\" width=\"24\" height=\"24\" style=\"margin-top: -3px;\" src=\"https:\/\/www.morain.de\/archive\/wp-content\/uploads\/Flags\/England.png\" \/><\/span><\/h4>\n<div class=\"tgg-content\" style=\"display: none;\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<strong>In Shades Of Green Through Shades Of Blue &#8211; Chapter Two, 1977-1981<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">&#8220;The way I got the job in <em>Electric Gypsy<\/em> was, my next door neighbour had a daughter, and she was getting engaged to the drummer of <em>Electric Gypsy<\/em>, and she knew I played the drums,&#8221; tells Mick Pointer. &#8220;Her boyfriend was getting engaged to her and decided to leave the band, and would I like to audition for it? And that&#8217;s how I met Doug Irvine, I went along, auditioned it, and got the gig. Literally, it wasn&#8217;t advertised or anything. He, getting engaged to her, got me the job and started my career.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Actually this was not Mick&#8217;s first job as a drummer, he had been playing with the local band <em>Stockade<\/em> for a short period the previous year. &#8220;I actually started playing with a couple of friends of mine. What started this was a couple of guys, brothers, Martin and Clive Butler. And they were playing guitar, both of them were playing guitar, in their living room, you know, that&#8217;s what most people tend to, and I think, they had been playing a couple of years, until they then decided to get a drummer involved, in what they were doing. And they just knew a guy that had a drum kit, in just the village, that I come from, and I went along, and I thought &#8211; this looks like fun, I would like to have a go at that. And I borrowed the hi-hat stand and a cymbal from him and got home and started playing with that, and about three weeks later I bought a better drum kit than he had, so I got the gig. So that&#8217;s how my musical career started. Before I was a huge fan, I was a great consumer of music, I&#8217;d listen to so much music, generally rock and progressive rock, and all that sort of stuff, but generally more on the rock side. <em>Deep Purple<\/em>, <em>Led Zeppelin<\/em>, <em>Black Sabbath<\/em>, I was far more interested in that sort of stuff rather than <em>Genesis<\/em> and that style. It took me many years before I actually got into that sound, I was more of a rock fan than anything else.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">To make a long story short, <em>Stockade<\/em> didn&#8217;t last long. Clive Butler met a Dutch girl and left the band, and although it reformed with a guitarist, who was a friend of Martin Butler, and a bass player, who was a friend of Mick&#8217;s, they never got so far as to do a gig. So when Mick got the offer to audition for <em>Electric Gypsy<\/em>, he agreed, and <em>Stockade<\/em> split up. However, they didn&#8217;t part their ways as enemies.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">At the time when <em>Electric Gypsy<\/em> took Mick on as their drummer, the band consisted of bassist Doug Irvine, guitarist Andy Glass and vocalist Alan King. After several months of rehearsals, Mick and Doug decided that the musical direction, in which <em>Electric Gypsy<\/em> was heading, did not suit them well. They were both interested in more experimental pieces of music. Furthermore, Andy and Alan were not determined to get a full time career in music, so Doug and Mick quit the band, to form another unit from scratch.<br \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<span class=\"recite\">(Claus Nygaard: <a href=\"http:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20090415060940if_\/http:\/\/www.marillion.rocks.it:80\/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">In Shades Of Green Through Shades Of Blue &#8211; The Story of Marillion with Fish<\/a>)<\/span><\/p>\n<p>\t\t\t\t\t\t<strong>Marillion\/Separated Out &#8211; The Complete History 1979-2002<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">The 1977 line-up of <em>Electric Gypsy<\/em> included Alan King on vocals, guitarist Andy Glass, Doug Irvine (who founded the band) on bass and a drummer, whose name has long since been forgotten. Sparking a tradition, that would be upheld for a good five years, the drummer did not last long. Fortuitously, the drummer&#8217;s fianc\u00e9e heard someone practising in a shed next door to her parents&#8217;house on Brae Road, in a village of Brill in Buckinghamshire. That &#8220;someone&#8221; was Mick Pointer.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">The timing was perfect for Mick, then in a band called <em>Stockade<\/em>, formed some eighteen months before with an old classmate, Martin Butler. With <em>Stockade<\/em> going nowhere, Mick agreed to an audition with the <em>Gypsies<\/em>. He got the gig, left <em>Stockade<\/em> and his mate Martin on amicable terms and joined Alan, Andy and Doug. &#8220;We played rock, along the lines of <em>Hawkwind<\/em>,&#8221; says Andy Glass.<\/p>\n<div style=\"text-align: justify\">Mick&#8217;s optimism was short-lived. &#8220;They spend less time doing music and a lot more time talking crap and smoking dope all day!&#8221; says Mick. The <em>Gypsies<\/em> did play a few times, &#8220;Our big gig was at <em>Stone Free Festival<\/em> near Aylesbury,&#8221; says Andy. &#8220;Magic!&#8221;<br \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<span class=\"recite\">(Jon Collins: <a target=\"_blanck\" href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Marillion-Separated-Complete-History-1979-2002\/dp\/1900924498\" title=\"Jon Collins - Marillion\/Separated Out - The Complete History 1979-2002\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Marillion\/Separated Out &#8211; The Complete History 1979-2002<\/a>)<\/span><\/div>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul class=\"toggle1\">\n<li class=\"mar1\">\n<h4 class=\"tgg-title\">January 1978 &#8211; April 1979<span class=\"flagSetlist\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"flag\" title=\"England\" alt=\"flag\" width=\"24\" height=\"24\" style=\"margin-top: -3px;\" src=\"https:\/\/www.morain.de\/archive\/wp-content\/uploads\/Flags\/England.png\" \/><\/span><\/h4>\n<div class=\"tgg-content\" style=\"display: none;\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<strong>In Shades Of Green Through Shades Of Blue &#8211; Chapter Two, 1977-1981<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Together Mick and Doug formed their new band in early 1978, and they named it <em>Silmarillion<\/em>, just to put behind the unsuccessful past and mark the beginning of a new era. <em>Silmarillion<\/em> is the name of a novel by J.R.R. Tolkien, who is probably more known for his trilogy <em>Lord Of The Rings<\/em> and the novel <em>The Hobbit<\/em>. The story goes, that Mick, when looking for a new name for the band, just happened to have a copy of <em>Silmarillion<\/em> on his bookshelf, which he hadn&#8217;t read, and thought it was a proper name for the &#8220;new&#8221; band. So when critics, writers and music journalists emphasise the name <em>Silmarillion<\/em> and refer to its deliberate connection with the band&#8217;s style of music and their lyrics, it does not quite justify the band&#8217;s choice of name. No, they did not seem to be into Tolkien or <em>Dungeon And Dragons<\/em>, and they certainly did not sit down and compose soundtracks to J.R.R. Tolkien&#8217;s novels. After breaking up <em>Electric Gypsy<\/em>, Mick and Doug took on a keyboardist named Neil Cockle and a guitarist named Martin [Jenner] whose surname no one seems to remember today.<br \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<span class=\"recite\">(Claus Nygaard: <a href=\"http:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20090415060940if_\/http:\/\/www.marillion.rocks.it:80\/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">In Shades Of Green Through Shades Of Blue &#8211; The Story of Marillion with Fish<\/a>)<\/span><\/p>\n<p>\t\t\t\t\t\t<strong>Marillion\/Separated Out &#8211; The Complete History 1979-2002<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">By early 1978, Mick and Doug decided to leave the <em>Gypsies<\/em> and form an instrumental ensemble. From Mick&#8217;s home base at Station Road, Long Marston, near Aylesbury, they recruited local lads Neil Cockle on keyboards and Martin Jenner on guitar. &#8220;The place was a complete mess. The only food on offer was the dead mice brought in from the fields by the cats,&#8221; Mick recalls. It was here, that the four-piece sought inspiration for a name. &#8220;We went through hundreds of names, I saw the <em>Silmarillion<\/em> book on the shelf and said, &#8220;Hey, how about that?&#8221; The name stuck.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">The fledgeling band had high aspirations for its musical style. Explains Martin Jenner, &#8220;The music was inspired by a blend of <em>Camel<\/em> and <em>Genesis<\/em>. Neil had a string synthesizer (popular in early <em>Camel<\/em>) and played this to good effect on some of the slower segments and also to give that nice filling sound behind some of the stronger riffs. The <em>Genesis<\/em> influence came with things like song construction and most notably off beat timings.&#8221; The band then added its own stylistic preferences &#8211; Martin describes himself as: &#8220;A die-hard rock guitarist who likes to play Gary Moore-style solos,&#8221; while Mick sought to emulate his drumming hero, Neil Peart of <em>Rush<\/em>. Eager to take their message to the world, the <em>Sils<\/em> used a rehearsal studio in Amersham to write and rehearse an hour-long largely instrumental set, with Doug adding the occasional vocal.<\/p>\n<div style=\"text-align: justify\">In the middle of the punk wave, <em>Silmarillion<\/em> stuck to their style, and funnily they frequently used a rehearsal studio where <em>Camel<\/em> rehearsed. Mick: &#8220;Where we used to play was in Amersham, it was a rehearsal studio in Amersham. All the <em>Silmarillion<\/em> stuff was done in Amersham, and the tape of <em>Silmarillion<\/em> was just done on a tape-machine in the corner of the studio. I was a great fan of <em>Camel<\/em> at that time, and Doug was a great fan of <em>Camel<\/em>, and they were rehearsing next door to us in this rehearsal studio, and they were watching us one day playing what we thought was similar sort of music as <em>Camel<\/em>. And Andy Ward went on and took my place. Little did he know that the band he was standing there watching would be a band he would be joining within five years time. This is a very small world, it&#8217;s amazing.&#8221;<br \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<span class=\"recite\">(Jon Collins: <a target=\"_blanck\" href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Marillion-Separated-Complete-History-1979-2002\/dp\/1900924498\" title=\"Jon Collins - Marillion\/Separated Out - The Complete History 1979-2002\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Marillion\/Separated Out &#8211; The Complete History 1979-2002<\/a>)<\/span><\/div>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul class=\"toggle1\">\n<li class=\"mar1\">\n<h4 class=\"tgg-title\">22.04.1979 &#8211; Hanborough Tavern, Southall<span class=\"flagSetlist\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"flag\" title=\"England\" alt=\"flag\" width=\"24\" height=\"24\" style=\"margin-top: -3px;\" src=\"https:\/\/www.morain.de\/archive\/wp-content\/uploads\/Flags\/England.png\" \/><\/span><\/h4>\n<div class=\"tgg-content\" style=\"display: none;\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\tThe exact setlist is unknown, but it included the following songs:<br \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t01 666<br \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t02 Still No Sign Of Land<br \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t03 The Silmarillion<br \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t04 The Necromancer<\/p>\n<p>\t\t\t\t\t\t<strong>In Shades Of Green Through Shades Of Blue &#8211; Chapter Two, 1977-1981<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">With or without a set consisting of instrumental bits and pieces later developed into well-known Marillion tracks, <em>Silmarillion<\/em>, now with this quartet line-up, played their first gig in April 1979 at the Hanborough Tavern in Southall, England. For Mick, this gig will always be special: &#8220;I remember playing to a small handful of people at this gig, and amazingly the most unlikely people were enjoying it. When we were doing this, we were rehearsed, but not well rehearsed. Just the first gig of any band, and we were bashing away and playing, and these people were enjoying it, just people with tattoo&#8217;s, drinking their beers, clapping &#8220;very good lads, very good&#8221;. I&#8217;ll never forget that gig.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">The Hambrough Tavern will never be forgotten either, as it burned down during <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Death_of_Blair_Peach#23_April_1979\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">the riots in London<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">In Mick Pointer&#8217;s words, <em>Silmarillion<\/em> was incredibly unfashionable, but decided to play just the style of music they liked the best: &#8220;When we first started <em>Silmarillion<\/em>, Punk was still happening, we were so incredible unfashionable (laughs), really unfashionable. I was amazed where all these people came from, actually, fans. I thought, if I like this style of music, there must be more people out there. I can&#8217;t be unusual here, and that was one of the reasons why we started to find these few pockets of people with long hair, while everybody had their hair stuck up like this (signals punk hair spike). But there were a few hippies still around, you know, and they really loved it.&#8221;<br \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<span class=\"recite\">(Claus Nygaard: <a href=\"http:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20090415060940if_\/http:\/\/www.marillion.rocks.it:80\/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">In Shades Of Green Through Shades Of Blue &#8211; The Story of Marillion with Fish<\/a>)<\/span><\/p>\n<p>\t\t\t\t\t\t<strong>Marillion\/Separated Out &#8211; The Complete History 1979-2002<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Finally, on 22nd April 1979, at the Hanborough Tavern in Southall, London, the band was ready to play. The gig was in support of punk band <em>Robert And The Remoulds<\/em>: Neil, Martin and the <em>Remoulds<\/em>&#8216; drummer all worked for the same company at the time. &#8220;We had no vocalist, so we played instrumentals only, all band compositions,&#8221; recalls Martin Jenner. &#8220;We had no strong vocalist in the band and had not yet auditioned a lead vocalist.&#8221; Despite a successful gig it was not the best of starts &#8211; not only was it the last that the four played together, but the next day signalled the start of the 1979 Southall riots, made notorious with the death of protester Blair Peach, following a baton charge by the police.<br \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<span class=\"recite\">(Jon Collins: <a target=\"_blanck\" href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Marillion-Separated-Complete-History-1979-2002\/dp\/1900924498\" title=\"Jon Collins - Marillion\/Separated Out - The Complete History 1979-2002\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Marillion\/Separated Out &#8211; The Complete History 1979-2002<\/a>)<\/span><\/p>\n<ul class=\"toggle2 lineup\">\n<li>\n<h4 class=\"tgg-title\">Line-up<\/h4>\n<div class=\"tgg-content\" style=\"display: none;\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tDoug Irvine \u2013 Bass<br \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tMick Pointer &#8211; Drums, Flute<br \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tNeil Cockle &#8211; Keyboards<br \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tMartin Jenner \u2013 Guitar\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul><\/div>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul class=\"toggle1\">\n<li class=\"mar1\">\n<h4 class=\"tgg-title\">??.??.1979 &#8211; Student Union Bar, Wickham<span class=\"flagSetlist\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"flag\" title=\"England\" alt=\"flag\" width=\"24\" height=\"24\" style=\"margin-top: -3px;\" src=\"https:\/\/www.morain.de\/archive\/wp-content\/uploads\/Flags\/England.png\" \/><\/span><\/h4>\n<div class=\"tgg-content\" style=\"display: none;\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\tThe exact setlist is unknown, but included the following songs:<br \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t01 666<br \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t02 Still No Sign Of Land<br \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t03 The Silmarillion<br \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t04 The Necromancer<\/p>\n<ul class=\"content-description heading\">\n<li><i class=\"icon-info-circled\"><\/i> All written sources (f.e. Clarke, Collins, Wall, Nygaard) claim <em>Silmarillion<\/em> played only ONE show at Hanborough Tavern, Southall and then split up. In his interview below, Neil Cockle reports of a &quot;couple&quot; of <em>Silmarillion<\/em> concerts! Check it out at 18:22min!<\/li>\n<li class=\"lineup\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Embed Player\" width=\"100%\" height=\"188px\" src=\"https:\/\/embed.acast.com\/5f57907317370644246453f1\/635686e35f0a000012306b87?seek=1102\" scrolling=\"no\" frameBorder=\"0\" style=\"border:none;overflow:hidden;\"><\/iframe><\/li>\n<li><i class=\"icon-info-circled\"><\/i> Source: <a href=\"https:\/\/play.acast.com\/s\/between-you-and-me\/silmarillion-founding-member-neil-cockle?fbclid=IwAR2IB-shc_dQJnH-Eh7rD4IzhrfVDyNG_II7JdvNTnVRpvNYYuRBtWFHpco_aem_Aa2Nr0_MnmGl1GPUZSMCqkVrVqgcVnCAqNC1BHMBtV7eUppHCkZa1kvnUr82_XaXSgzbxLIj8Sb1gppV3NxOqtWz\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Between You And Me &#8211; A Podcast About Marillion<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul class=\"toggle2 lineup\">\n<li>\n<h4 class=\"tgg-title\">Line-up<\/h4>\n<div class=\"tgg-content\" style=\"display: none;\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tDoug Irvine \u2013 Bass<br \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tMick Pointer &#8211; Drums, Flute<br \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tNeil Cockle &#8211; Keyboards<br \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tMartin Jenner \u2013 Guitar\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul><\/div>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul class=\"toggle1\">\n<li class=\"mar1\">\n<h4 class=\"tgg-title\">April &#8211; August 1979<span class=\"flagSetlist\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"flag\" title=\"England\" alt=\"flag\" width=\"24\" height=\"24\" style=\"margin-top: -3px;\" src=\"https:\/\/www.morain.de\/archive\/wp-content\/uploads\/Flags\/England.png\" \/><\/span><\/h4>\n<div class=\"tgg-content\" style=\"display: none;\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<strong>In Shades Of Green Through Shades Of Blue &#8211; Chapter Two, 1977-1981<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">After further months of rehearsals, internal problems in the band caused them to sack their guitarist and keyboard player. This time though it had nothing to do with a woman, but more obvious things as money and a certain mellotron, which in years time would make its famous appearance on the first Marillion album. Mick: &#8220;We actually found this knackered mellotron, and Doug he fixed it, and we got it working, it never worked perfectly. We had a bit of a problem. We had an argument with them about the mellotron. There was an argument over money and the pair of them sort of came from the same area, and Doug and I were living in the same house, and there was a split. I can&#8217;t remember exactly what the argument was, but I remember the mellotron coming back one night, and with silence they handed it over to us.&#8221; <\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">That night, when Martin and Neil arrived to hand back the mellotron, was the last time Doug and Mick saw their early companions from the original <em>Silmarillion<\/em> line-up.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Without Martin and Neil it was time to audition <a class=\"openfancybox-image\" href=\"\/Marillion\/setlists\/wp-content\/uploads\/img\/Marillion - Ad - Melody Maker - 07.07.1979.jpg\" title=\"Ad: Melody Maker - 07.07.1979 - Thanks to Barry Considine\">new members for the band<\/a>, and even though they had a mellotron, they first decided to <a class=\"openfancybox-image\" href=\"\/Marillion\/setlists\/wp-content\/uploads\/img\/Marillion - Ad - Melody Maker - 14.07.1979.jpg\" title=\"Ad: Melody Maker - 14.07.1979 - Thanks to Barry Considine\">advertise for a guitarist<\/a> only, maybe thinking, that it would be easier to keep together a trio than a quartet. After all, Mick&#8217;s favourite band <em>Rush<\/em> had proved to be successive with drums, bass and guitar only, so why not follow suit?<br \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<span class=\"recite\">(Claus Nygaard: <a href=\"http:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20090415060940if_\/http:\/\/www.marillion.rocks.it:80\/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">In Shades Of Green Through Shades Of Blue &#8211; The Story of Marillion with Fish<\/a>)<\/span><\/p>\n<p>\t\t\t\t\t\t<strong>Marillion\/Separated Out &#8211; The Complete History 1979-2002<\/strong><\/p>\n<div style=\"text-align: justify\">Neil and Martin were both to leave not long after the Hanborough gig, with Martin the first to go. &#8220;We started auditioning soon after the gig and tried some (I thought) very good vocalists,&#8221; says Martin, &#8220;Doug and Mick were not happy with them, seemingly knowing exactly what they wanted. It was this slow forward motion to accept <a class=\"openfancybox-image\" href=\"\/Marillion\/setlists\/wp-content\/uploads\/img\/Marillion - Ad - Melody Maker - 07.07.1979.jpg\" title=\"Ad: Melody Maker - 07.07.1979 - Thanks to Barry Considine\">a vocalist<\/a> and get out playing regularly, that helped me decide to leave the band.&#8221; Following his departure, Mick and Doug placed an <a class=\"openfancybox-image\" href=\"\/Marillion\/setlists\/wp-content\/uploads\/img\/Marillion - Ad - Melody Maker - 14.07.1979.jpg\" title=\"Ad: Melody Maker - 14.07.1979 - Thanks to Barry Considine\">ad in <em>Melody Maker<\/em><\/a> for a guitarist. Despite numerous auditions with good twenty hopefuls, nobody really fitted the bill until a young player arrived on a Sunday morning in August&#8230;<br \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<span class=\"recite\">(Jon Collins: <a target=\"_blanck\" href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Marillion-Separated-Complete-History-1979-2002\/dp\/1900924498\" title=\"Jon Collins - Marillion\/Separated Out - The Complete History 1979-2002\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Marillion\/Separated Out &#8211; The Complete History 1979-2002<\/a>)<\/span><\/div>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul class=\"toggle1\">\n<li class=\"mar1\">\n<h4 class=\"tgg-title\">Info &#8211; Neil Cockle Talks About Silmarillion (October 2022)<\/h4>\n<div class=\"tgg-content\" style=\"display: none;\">\n<ul class=\"content-description\">\n<li>The keyboarder of <em>Silmarillion<\/em> &#8211; Neil Cockle &#8211; now plays keyboards in a band called <em>The Mighty Bard<\/em>. Look them up on these websites for info, tour dates and music samples: <a target=\"_blanck\" href=\"http:\/\/www.themightybard.com\/\" title=\"The Mighty Bard\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">The Mighty Bard<\/a> and <a target=\"_blanck\" href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/pages\/The-Mighty-Bard\/62571086926\" title=\"The Mighty Bard - Facebook\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Facebook<\/a> &#8211; Thanks to John Highmore<\/li>\n<li class=\"lineup\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Embed Player\" width=\"100%\" height=\"188px\" src=\"https:\/\/embed.acast.com\/5f57907317370644246453f1\/635686e35f0a000012306b87?seek=329\" scrolling=\"no\" frameBorder=\"0\" style=\"border:none;overflow:hidden;\"><\/iframe><\/li>\n<li><i class=\"icon-info-circled\"><\/i> Source: <a href=\"https:\/\/play.acast.com\/s\/between-you-and-me\/silmarillion-founding-member-neil-cockle?fbclid=IwAR2IB-shc_dQJnH-Eh7rD4IzhrfVDyNG_II7JdvNTnVRpvNYYuRBtWFHpco_aem_Aa2Nr0_MnmGl1GPUZSMCqkVrVqgcVnCAqNC1BHMBtV7eUppHCkZa1kvnUr82_XaXSgzbxLIj8Sb1gppV3NxOqtWz\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Between You And Me &#8211; A Podcast About Marillion<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul><\/div>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul><\/div>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul class=\"toggle color1\">\n<li class=\"color1\">\n<h3 class=\"tgg-title\">Marillion<\/h3>\n<div class=\"tgg-content\" style=\"display: none;\">\n<ul class=\"toggle1\">\n<li class=\"mar1\">\n<h4 class=\"tgg-title\">August &#8211; September 1979<span class=\"flagSetlist\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"flag\" title=\"England\" alt=\"flag\" width=\"24\" height=\"24\" style=\"margin-top: -3px;\" src=\"https:\/\/www.morain.de\/archive\/wp-content\/uploads\/Flags\/England.png\" \/><\/span><\/h4>\n<div class=\"tgg-content\" style=\"display: none;\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<strong>In Shades Of Green Through Shades Of Blue &#8211; Chapter Two, 1977-1981<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">The two-piece <em>Silmarillion<\/em> placed an advertisement for a guitarist in <em>Melody Maker<\/em>, and started to audition guitarists in the living room of the house where they now lived together. Having seen the advertisement, the guitarist, <a class=\"openfancybox-image\" href=\"\/Marillion\/setlists\/wp-content\/uploads\/img\/Marillion - Bio - Steve Rothery - 1980.jpg\" title=\"Biography: Steve Rothery - 1980 (?)\">Steven &#8220;Steve&#8221; Thomas Rothery<\/a> arrived from Whitby, at the northern side of the beautiful North Yorkshire Moors national park, one early Sunday morning in August 1979 to join the band. The story goes that Steve arrived out of the blue with his car trunk full of gear, because he was so determined to get the guitarist job, and so he had brought along his equipment right away.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Mick: &#8220;We advertised for a guitarist and I remember auditioning these guitarists, and then completely out of the blue Steve turned up at the house in his knackered car all the way from Whitby. It&#8217;s a hell of a drive from Whitby down to where we are, about 250 miles or something. He just sort of turned up. We never knew he was coming, and his friend Edwyn [Hart] came with him, I think that was the name of his friend. He came down to the house, and he was setting up his guitar stack, an <em>Orange<\/em> guitar stack that he had, and me and Doug sat there and watched, and he just played to us, and we just gave him the job there and then. &#8220;Okay, you will do!&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">He&#8217;d only been playing a couple of years. Steve was a late starter in playing, actually, in fact all of us seemed to be quite late starters in playing. Perhaps that&#8217;s a good thing, and none of us studied music. For some reason, he seemed to think that we knew he was coming. But I remember me and Doug not knowing he was coming. And we could have been anywhere. He&#8217;d driven all this way, turns up in this little village of Long Marston, and just gets his gear out of the back and plays. I cannot remember, I&#8217;m sure he stayed, I&#8217;m sure he stayed for the night and then drove back the next day, and then came back a couple of days later and stayed. He just moved in [laughs]. Yeah, he just moved into the house, and we had a guitarist. So the three of us, it was Doug&#8217;s house, and all three of us were living in this house together.&#8221;<br \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<span class=\"recite\">(Claus Nygaard: <a href=\"http:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20090415060940if_\/http:\/\/www.marillion.rocks.it:80\/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">In Shades Of Green Through Shades Of Blue &#8211; The Story of Marillion with Fish<\/a>)<\/span><\/p>\n<p>\t\t\t\t\t\t<strong>Marillion\/Separated Out &#8211; The Complete History 1979-2002<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">&#8220;I had called, but they&#8217;d forgotten,&#8221; explains Steve Rothery. &#8220;I&#8217;d got up at six in the morning to drive down in my Renault 5, and when I got there, they were still in bed!&#8221; After the 250-mile journey from Whitby, Steve was raring to go, but as sure as Sunday morning follows a heavy Saturday night, he didn&#8217;t receive the warmest of welcomes when he turned up with a mate in Station Road. Reluctantly, Doug and Mick agreed to listen to Steve&#8217;s demo tape, but that didn&#8217;t help matters. &#8220;It wasn&#8217;t especially good,&#8221; says Steve, &#8220;I&#8217;d made it when I was playing with a chap called Edwin Hart; he was a huge <em>Beatles<\/em> fan. They weren&#8217;t too impressed!&#8221;<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Despite the sleep deprivation and dubious start, Mick and Doug felt enough sympathy to let Steve come in and have a jam. &#8220;He set up his gear in the living room while we all sat there, bleary-eyed,&#8221; recalls Mick. It worked: &#8220;He was very impressive. We sat there and watched, he played to us, and we gave him the job there and then.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Steve drove up North to consider his options, before long deciding to accept the invitation a couple of days later, on 19th August 1979. &#8220;It was obvious I was in a similar area of music to them;&#8221; comments Steve, &#8220;<em>Pink Floyd<\/em>, <em>Genesis<\/em>, <em>Camel<\/em> &#8211; but not <em>Rush<\/em>! I got the gig and just moved down. I kind of gave everything up for a bass player and a drummer.&#8221; Steve must have been convinced, considering the accommodation that was on offer. &#8220;The cottage didn&#8217;t have hot water and had mould growing on the walls,&#8221; Steve recollects. &#8220;I had to share a sofa with two cats!&#8221;<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Steve&#8217;s arrival coincided with the departure of Neil Cockle, for whom the final straw had been, the rest of the band helping itself to equipment out his car. &#8220;We turned up for a rehearsal (the second time I&#8217;d been down from Whitby) to find Neil&#8217;s car, full of Doug&#8217;s keyboards, unlocked and with nobody around,&#8221; recalls Steve. &#8220;After a blazing row between Neil, Doug and Mick we were a three-piece!&#8221;<br \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<span class=\"recite\">(Jon Collins: <a target=\"_blanck\" href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Marillion-Separated-Complete-History-1979-2002\/dp\/1900924498\" title=\"Jon Collins - Marillion\/Separated Out - The Complete History 1979-2002\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Marillion\/Separated Out &#8211; The Complete History 1979-2002<\/a>)<\/span><\/p>\n<p>\t\t\t\t\t\t<strong>Doug Irvine<\/strong><\/p>\n<div style=\"text-align: justify\">&#8220;I remember auditioning one guy who couldn&#8217;t sing (not that I could). I just drew the short straw and had to do my best. The guitarist auditions were more fun. I&#8217;m sure we had some people who ended up being well known, but Steve was best for us. We auditioned a bunch of keyboard players too, but Brian fitted best. I can still remember the first rehearsal in Gawcott, it was a magical experience. First time I had used my Moog Taurus pedals.<br \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<span class=\"recite\">(Doug Irvine @ Facebook &#8211; 06.02.2022)<\/span><\/div>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul class=\"toggle1\">\n<li class=\"mar1\">\n<h4 class=\"tgg-title\">October 1979 &#8211; May 1980<span class=\"flagSetlist\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"flag\" title=\"England\" alt=\"flag\" width=\"24\" height=\"24\" style=\"margin-top: -3px;\" src=\"https:\/\/www.morain.de\/archive\/wp-content\/uploads\/Flags\/England.png\" \/><\/span><\/h4>\n<div class=\"tgg-content\" style=\"display: none;\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<strong>In Shades Of Green Through Shades Of Blue &#8211; Chapter Two, 1977-1981<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">In October 1979 Doug got hold of his old friend, Brian Jelleyman, for the purpose of playing keyboard &#8211; and handling the mellotron! With Steve and Brian in the band, the quality of the material became better, their soundscape tighter, and they decided the time was come to add vocals to some of their material. Doug went from playing bass to singing as well.<br \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<span class=\"recite\">(Claus Nygaard: <a href=\"http:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20090415060940if_\/http:\/\/www.marillion.rocks.it:80\/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">In Shades Of Green Through Shades Of Blue &#8211; The Story of Marillion with Fish<\/a>)<\/span><\/p>\n<p>\t\t\t\t\t\t<strong>Marillion\/Separated Out &#8211; The Complete History 1979-2002<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Brian was no mean pianist, as pointed out by schoolmate and future band member, Pete Trewavas. &#8220;He had classical lessons and I think he was grade 8, he was good!&#8221; A few weeks later, following another audition in the front room of the cottage, the newly formed line-up went about developing and rehearsing a set. &#8220;The style we had already begun had started to take shape,&#8221; notes Mick. Concerned about copyright, and besides, it was &#8220;too Tolkien,&#8221; according to Steve, they also decided to drop the &#8220;Sil&#8221; from the band&#8217;s name. &#8220;Doug had <em>Silmarillion<\/em> painted on his case &#8211; all he had to do was paint out the Sil,&#8221; explains Steve.<br \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<span class=\"recite\">(Jon Collins: <a target=\"_blanck\" href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Marillion-Separated-Complete-History-1979-2002\/dp\/1900924498\" title=\"Jon Collins - Marillion\/Separated Out - The Complete History 1979-2002\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Marillion\/Separated Out &#8211; The Complete History 1979-2002<\/a>)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>The Truth About The <em>Spring Demo<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Two demos of Marillion&#8217;s first line-up are known amongst collectors: the so-called <em>Spring Demo<\/em> and <em>Summer Demo<\/em>. All the songs listed below are usually assigned to the <em>Spring Demo<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">In general, a &quot;demo&quot; suggests the band went into a proper recording studio to create a (let&#8217;s call it) &quot;audo-business card&quot; for media attention, future gigs etc. Well&#8230; nice! But&#8230; naa! All wrong!<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">The so-called <em>Spring Demo<\/em> is actually just a rehearsal tape, captured at one or various rehearsal sessions (from October 1979 until maybe May 1980) on a mono cassette player and was labelled &#8220;Rehearsal &#8211; Doug, Mick, Brian, Steve&#8221;. The songs are listed in the following order:<\/p>\n<p>\t\t\t\t\t\t01 The Haunting Of Gill House<br \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t02 Herne The Hunter<br \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t03 Alice (earlier take, Doug&#8217;s vocals are rudimentarily hearable)<br \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t04 Alice (Doug&#8217;s vocals can be heard clearly)<br \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t05 Scott&#8217;s Porridge\t\t\t\t<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">The second version of <em>Alice<\/em> (No. 04) has a short snippet of <em>Scott&#8217;s Porridge<\/em> at the end, which is faded out after a few seconds. Then, the same version of <em>Scott&#8217;s Porridge<\/em> restarts and has an abrupt end after ca. two minutes. <em>Alice<\/em> (No. 04) and <em>Scott&#8217;s Porridge<\/em> were NOT played as a medley, a recording interruption is clearly hearable.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Obviously, the recording was made for internal purposes ONLY, but somehow made its way outside the internal Marillion universe. From that moment on, the title and various versions were &quot;made&quot; &#8211; by fans and bootleggers.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">In Mike Eldon&#8217;s (long-lost) website <a class=\"iframe\" href=\"https:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20060104121032\/http:\/\/www.eldonm.freeserve.co.uk\/recordings.htm\">The Saliva Tear<\/a> his version of the so-called <em>Spring Demo<\/em> is listed in section &#8220;Live-Recordings&#8221; &#8211; without a title but with a date: May 1980. This seems to be an understandable reason for a fan-made title <em>Spring Demo<\/em>. But I&#8217;d like to point out the original tape has no date written on it!<br \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<span class=\"recite\">(Andre Kreutzmann)<\/span><\/p>\n<p>\t\t\t\t\t\t<strong>Brian Jelleyman<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">&quot;We did a lot of stuff at the cottage in Long Marston and at the Queens Head almost next door. I think Gawcott was also used before Diz and Fish joined? The Enid session (<em>Lady Fantasy<\/em> and <em>Alice<\/em>, June-July 1980) was a one off, they were very good and we spent more time there than booked. Looked after us well. Mick may have better memories.&quot;<br \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<span class=\"recite\">(Brian Jelleyman, 07.10.2022)<\/span><\/p>\n<p>\t\t\t\t\t\t<strong>Doug Irvine<\/strong>\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">&quot;<em>666<\/em> is the only Silmarillion song I can remember but the Marillion songs (especially <em>Alice<\/em>) are still somewhere in my memory. I wrote <em>Alice<\/em> as a tribute to <em>White Rabbit<\/em> by <em>Jefferson Airplane<\/em>. <em>Time For Sale<\/em> was influenced by <em>Apocalypse in 9\/8<\/em> by <em>Genesis<\/em>. <em>Lady Fantasy<\/em> was taken from an old <em>Electric Gypsy<\/em> song (with Andy Glass on guitar). I met up with Andy recently at the <em>Cropredy<\/em> festival, haven&#8217;t seen him for forty years? <em>Gill House<\/em> was the first song we wrote and I don&#8217;t remember the history of <em>Herne<\/em>.&quot;<br \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<span class=\"recite\">(Doug Irvine, 04.09.2023) &#8211; Thanks to Stephan Br&uuml;ninghoff<\/span><\/p>\n<ul class=\"content-description\">\n<li><i class=\"icon-camera\"><\/i> <a class=\"openfancybox-image\" href=\"\/Marillion\/setlists\/wp-content\/uploads\/img\/Marillion - Bill - Hertford - 18.03.1980.jpg\" title=\"Marillion: Invoice of mixing session (?) - 18.03.1980\">Invoice<\/a> of a mixing session (?) &#8211; Thanks to <a href=\"https:\/\/www.morain.de\/Marillion\/setlists\/markos-marillion-museum\/\" target=\"_blanck\" title=\"Marko\u2019s Marillion Museum\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Marko\u2019s Marillion Museum<\/a><\/li>\n<li><i class=\"icon-info-circled\"><\/i> <em>Scott&#8217;s Porridge<\/em> was originally tagged <em>Scotch Porridge<\/em>, then <em>Margaret Gets Her Oats<\/em><\/li>\n<li><i class=\"icon-info-circled\"><\/i> <em>Alice<\/em> was originally tagged <em>Alice Through The Looking Glass<\/em><\/li>\n<li><i class=\"icon-camera\"><\/i> <a class=\"openfancybox-image\" href=\"\/Marillion\/setlists\/wp-content\/uploads\/img\/Marillion - Lyrics - Alice - 1980.jpg\" title=\"Lyrics: Alice - 1980\">Alice<\/a> (lyrics transpripted by Paul Cavender)<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul class=\"toggle2 lineup\">\n<li>\n<h4 class=\"tgg-title\">Line-up<\/h4>\n<div class=\"tgg-content\" style=\"display: none;\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tDoug Irvine \u2013 Bass, Vocals<br \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tMick Pointer &#8211; Drums, Flute<br \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tSteve Rothery &#8211; Guitar<br \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tBrian Jelleyman &#8211; Keyboards\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul><\/div>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<div class=\"pullquote\" style=\"margin: 40px 0 30px 15px; width: 100%;\">The band name transitioned. I joined Silmarillion but by the first gig the name changed.<cite class=\" color1\" style=\"margin-left:-15px;\">Brian Jelleyman @ Facebook &#8211; 26.03.2020<\/cite><\/div>\n<ul class=\"toggle1\">\n<li class=\"mar1\">\n<h4 class=\"tgg-title\">Info<\/h4>\n<div class=\"tgg-content\" style=\"display: none;\">\n<ul class=\"content-description\">\n<li><i class=\"icon-camera\"><\/i> <a class=\"openfancybox-image\" href=\"\/Marillion\/setlists\/wp-content\/uploads\/img\/Marillion - Bandinfo - 1980.jpg\" title=\"Marillion: Bandinfo - 1980\">Bandinfo<\/a> by Darrell Foster Kirsop (Aylesbury) &#8211; Thanks to <a href=\"https:\/\/www.morain.de\/Marillion\/setlists\/markos-marillion-museum\/\" target=\"_blanck\" title=\"Marko\u2019s Marillion Museum\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Marko\u2019s Marillion Museum<\/a><\/li>\n<li><i class=\"icon-camera\"><\/i> First ever Marillion <a class=\"openfancybox-image\" href=\"\/Marillion\/setlists\/wp-content\/uploads\/img\/Marillion - T-Shirt - Marillion - 1981 [Front].jpg\" title=\"Marillion: T-Shirt - 1980\">T-Shirt<\/a>, designed by Darrell Foster Kirsop from a draft by Mick and Doug<\/li>\n<li><i class=\"icon-info-circled\"><\/i> According to Mick, only 100 t-shirts were made (in red and white colour)<\/li>\n<\/ul><\/div>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul class=\"toggle1\">\n<li class=\"mar1\">\n<h4 class=\"tgg-title\">01.03.1980 &#8211; Civic Centre, Berkhamsted<span class=\"flagSetlist\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"flag\" title=\"England\" alt=\"flag\" width=\"24\" height=\"24\" style=\"margin-top: -3px;\" src=\"https:\/\/www.morain.de\/archive\/wp-content\/uploads\/Flags\/England.png\" \/><\/span><\/h4>\n<div class=\"tgg-content\" style=\"display: none;\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t01 Close<br \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t02 The Tower<br \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t03 Herne The Hunter<br \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t04 The Haunting Of Gill House<\/p>\n<ul class=\"content-description heading\">\n<li><i class=\"icon-plus-squared\"><\/i> Support Band: The Chiltern Volcanoes<\/li>\n<li class=\"lineup pic\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<img decoding=\"async\" src=\"\/Marillion\/setlists\/wp-content\/uploads\/img\/Marillion - MSS - 1980 - Berkhamsted - 1980 1.jpg\" title=\"Marillion: Civic Centre, Berkhamsted - 01.03.1980 - Photo by Steve Rothery\" alt=\"Marillion: Civic Centre, Berkhamsted - 01.03.1980 - Photo by Steve Rothery\" height=\"auto\" width=\"100%\" \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/li>\n<li><i class=\"icon-info-circled\"><\/i> First ever Marillion concert, photos by Steve Rothery (left) and Doug Irvine (right)<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>\t\t\t\t\t\t<strong>Marillion\/Separated Out &#8211; The Complete History 1979-2002<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Heartened by the results of the studio session, the freshmen pushed forward, playing their first gig as an ensemble at the Berkhamsted Civic Centre on 1st March 1980. It was not the most comfortable of settings, remembers Brian, &#8220;I know it was cold, as the fog from the dry-ice machine didn&#8217;t stay on the ground where it was supposed to be!&#8221; The material included <em>Close<\/em>, <em><a href=\"https:\/\/lostmediawiki.com\/Marillion_%22The_Tower%22_(lost_demo_track;_1979)\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">The Tower<\/a><\/em> and a couple of long-forgotten tracks, <em>Herne The Hunter<\/em> and <em>The Haunting Of Gill House<\/em>. The latter accompanied by explosions provided by Privet. &#8220;One of the flashes didn&#8217;t go off, so he scraped the contents into another one,&#8221; recalls Steve. &#8220;When he let that one off, there was a huge sheet of flame up my back, that nearly blew me off the stage! That was quite a first gig!&#8221;<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">On the performance itself, perceptions vary. Mick remembers little other than the reaction. &#8220;Some guys came up and said, &#8220;you guys are really excellent, you should be playing in London!&#8221; I thought, if he says that on the first gig&#8230; well!&#8221; Rothers&#8217; rosy memories include no fewer than six encores. &#8220;Mind you,&#8221; he says, &#8220;That could have been because they were all stoned out of their heads!&#8221; whereas early fan, Mike Eldon, remembers the audience (which included an 12-years-old Steven Wilson, later of <em>Porcupine Tree<\/em>) as being less than receptive. Mind you, that could have been because the audience were all stoned out of their heads&#8230; At least a major milestone was out of the way.<br \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<span class=\"recite\">(Jon Collins: <a target=\"_blanck\" href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Marillion-Separated-Complete-History-1979-2002\/dp\/1900924498\" title=\"Jon Collins - Marillion\/Separated Out - The Complete History 1979-2002\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Marillion\/Separated Out &#8211; The Complete History 1979-2002<\/a>)<\/span><\/p>\n<p>\t\t\t\t\t\t<strong>Steve Wilson<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">&quot;In March 1980 at the age of 12, I was at Berkhamsted Civic Centre, just up the road from where I lived in Hemel Hempstead, to see local punk group <em>The Chiltern Volcanoes<\/em>. Unbeknownst to me, the band were the opening act for another local band playing their FIRST EVER show. This band was called Marillion. I was one of about 20 people to witness their show, which needless to say I loved. How insane is that?!&quot;<br \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<span class=\"recite\">(Steve Wilson @ Instagram, 17.10.2020)<\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"lineup pic\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"\/Marillion\/setlists\/wp-content\/uploads\/img\/Marillion - MSS - 1980 - Berkhamsted - 1980 2.jpg\" title=\"Marillion: Civic Centre, Berkhamsted - 01.03.1980 - Photos by Steve Rothery\" alt=\"Marillion: Civic Centre, Berkhamsted - 01.03.1980 - Photos by Steve Rothery\" height=\"400\" width=\"824\" \/><\/div>\n<div><i class=\"icon-info-circled\"><\/i> Photos taken from by Steve Rothery&#8217;s book <a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.co.uk\/Postcards-Road-Steve-Rothery\/dp\/0993558100\/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&#038;keywords=Postcards-Road-Steve-Rothery&#038;qid=1607909785&#038;sr=8-1\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Postcard From the Road<\/a> (2016)<\/div>\n<ul class=\"toggle2 lineup\">\n<li>\n<h4 class=\"tgg-title\">Line-up<\/h4>\n<div class=\"tgg-content\" style=\"display: none;\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tDoug Irvine \u2013 Bass, Vocals<br \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tMick Pointer &#8211; Drums, Flute<br \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tSteve Rothery &#8211; Guitar<br \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tBrian Jelleyman &#8211; Keyboards\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul><\/div>\n<\/li>\n<li class=\"mar1\">\n<h4 class=\"tgg-title\">08.03.1980 &#8211; Bogart, Birmingham (?)<span class=\"flagSetlist\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"flag\" title=\"England\" alt=\"flag\" width=\"24\" height=\"24\" style=\"margin-top: -3px;\" src=\"https:\/\/www.morain.de\/archive\/wp-content\/uploads\/Flags\/England.png\" \/><\/span><\/h4>\n<div class=\"tgg-content\" style=\"display: none;\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\tSetlist unknown\t\t<\/p>\n<ul class=\"content-description\">\n<li class=\"pic\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"\/Marillion\/setlists\/wp-content\/uploads\/img\/Marillion - Ad - Birmingham - 08.03.1980.jpg\" title=\"Ad: Bogart, Birmingham - 08.03.1980\" alt=\"Ad: Bogart, Birmingham - 08.03.1980\" height=\"253\" width=\"333\" \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/li>\n<li><i class=\"icon-info-circled\"><\/i> Melody Maker, 01.03.1980 &#8211; Thanks to Barry Considine<\/li>\n<li><i class=\"icon-info-circled\"><\/i> For the press they were still Silmarillion? It was more likely another band as Birmingham is too far away from the Marillion &#8220;local scene&#8221; and the bandname has an &#8220;e&#8221; instead of an &#8220;a&#8221; (Silmerillion)<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul class=\"toggle2 lineup\">\n<li>\n<h4 class=\"tgg-title\">Line-up<\/h4>\n<div class=\"tgg-content\" style=\"display: none;\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tDoug Irvine \u2013 Bass, Vocals<br \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tMick Pointer &#8211; Drums, Flute<br \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tSteve Rothery &#8211; Guitar<br \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tBrian Jelleyman &#8211; Keyboards\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul><\/div>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul class=\"toggle1\">\n<li class=\"mar1\">\n<h4 class=\"tgg-title\">??.??.1980 &#8211; Market Street, Watford (Street Trader&#8217;s Fair)<span class=\"flagSetlist\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"flag\" title=\"England\" alt=\"flag\" width=\"24\" height=\"24\" style=\"margin-top: -3px;\" src=\"https:\/\/www.morain.de\/archive\/wp-content\/uploads\/Flags\/England.png\" \/><\/span><\/h4>\n<div class=\"tgg-content\" style=\"display: none;\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\tSetlist unknown\t\t<\/p>\n<ul class=\"content-description\">\n<li class=\"pic\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<a class=\"openfancybox-image nolightbox\" href=\"\/Marillion\/setlists\/wp-content\/uploads\/img\/Marillion - Report - Record Collector - 26.05.2022.jpg\" title=\"Report: Record Collector - 26.05.2022\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"\/Marillion\/setlists\/wp-content\/uploads\/img\/Marillion - MSS - 1980 - Record Collector - 26.05.2022.jpg\" title=\"Report: Record Collector - 26.05.2022\" alt=\"Report: Record Collector - 26.05.2022\" height=\"591\" width=\"824\" \/><\/a>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/li>\n<li><i class=\"icon-info-circled\"><\/i> Record Collector, 26.05.2022<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul class=\"toggle2 lineup\">\n<li>\n<h4 class=\"tgg-title\">Line-up<\/h4>\n<div class=\"tgg-content\" style=\"display: none;\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tDoug Irvine \u2013 Bass, Vocals<br \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tMick Pointer &#8211; Drums, Flute<br \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tSteve Rothery &#8211; Guitar<br \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tBrian Jelleyman &#8211; Keyboards\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul><\/div>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul class=\"toggle1\">\n<li class=\"mar1\">\n<h4 class=\"tgg-title\">29.06.1980 &#8211; General Wolfe Club, Coventry (?)<span class=\"flagSetlist\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"flag\" title=\"England\" alt=\"flag\" width=\"24\" height=\"24\" style=\"margin-top: -3px;\" src=\"https:\/\/www.morain.de\/archive\/wp-content\/uploads\/Flags\/England.png\" \/><\/span><\/h4>\n<div class=\"tgg-content\" style=\"display: none;\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\tSetlist unknown\t\t<\/p>\n<ul class=\"content-description\" style=\"margin-bottom:30px;\">\n<li><i class=\"icon-camera\"><\/i> <a class=\"openfancybox-image\" href=\"\/Marillion\/setlists\/wp-content\/uploads\/img\/Marillion - Ad - Coventry - 29.06.1980.jpg\" title=\"Ad: Coventry - 29.06.1980\">Ad<\/a> (still named Silmarillion) &#8211; Thanks to Martin Stassen<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul class=\"toggle2 lineup\">\n<li>\n<h4 class=\"tgg-title\">Line-up<\/h4>\n<div class=\"tgg-content\" style=\"display: none;\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tDoug Irvine \u2013 Bass, Vocals<br \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tMick Pointer &#8211; Drums, Flute<br \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tSteve Rothery &#8211; Guitar<br \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tBrian Jelleyman &#8211; Keyboards\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul><\/div>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul class=\"toggle1\">\n<li class=\"mar1\">\n<h4 class=\"tgg-title\">June-July 1980 &#8211; The Enid&#8217;s Studio, Hertford (Summer Demo)<span class=\"flagSetlist\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"flag\" title=\"England\" alt=\"flag\" width=\"24\" height=\"24\" style=\"margin-top: -3px;\" src=\"https:\/\/www.morain.de\/archive\/wp-content\/uploads\/Flags\/England.png\" \/><\/span><\/h4>\n<div class=\"tgg-content\" style=\"display: none;\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t01 Lady Fantasy<br \/>\n            \t\t\t02 Alice<\/p>\n<ul class=\"content-description heading\">\n<li><i class=\"icon-info-circled\"><\/i> <em>Hertford-Demo<\/em>, according to <a class=\"iframe\" href=\"https:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20060104121032\/http:\/\/www.eldonm.freeserve.co.uk\/recordings.htm\">Mike Eldon<\/a><\/li>\n<li><i class=\"icon-camera\"><\/i> <a class=\"openfancybox-image\" href=\"\/Marillion\/setlists\/wp-content\/uploads\/img\/Marillion - Lyrics - Lady Fantasy - 1980.jpg\" title=\"Lyrics: Lady Fantasy - 1980\">Lady Fantasy<\/a> (lyrics transpripted by Paul Cavender)<\/li>\n<li><i class=\"icon-camera\"><\/i> <a class=\"openfancybox-image\" href=\"\/Marillion\/setlists\/wp-content\/uploads\/img\/Marillion - Lyrics - Alice - 1980.jpg\" title=\"Lyrics: Alice - 1980\">Alice<\/a> (lyrics transpripted by Paul Cavender)<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>\t\t\t\t\t\t<strong>The Script &#8211; An Illustrated Biography<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Through the winter of 1979\/80 Marillion put a new hour-long set together. A need for more exciting material resulted in Doug reluctantly laying down vocals. Brian Jelleyman remembers, how live sets weren&#8217;t too bad, but the studio sessions were &#8220;painful, trying to get Doug to sing in tune!&#8221;. Their first recording session was held at <em>The Enid&#8217;s<\/em> studio in Hertfordshire and featured songs called <em>Alice<\/em> and <em>Lady Fantasy<\/em>. The demo, they taped, was for their own use.<br \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<span class=\"recite\">(Clive Gifford: <a target=\"_blanck\" href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.co.uk\/Marillion-Script-Clive-Gifford\/dp\/0711911134\" title=\"Clive Gifford: The Script - An Illustrated Biography\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">The Script &#8211; An Illustrated Biography <\/a>)<\/span><\/p>\n<p>\t\t\t\t\t\t<strong>Marillion\/Separated Out &#8211; The Complete History 1979-2002<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Following a few rehearsals at an old music shop in Hemel Hempstead and in The Queen&#8217;s Head pub a few doors down (also &#8220;the main venue for band meetings,&#8221; according to Brian), in <strong>February 1980<\/strong> the band tramped off to <em>The Enid&#8217;s<\/em> studio in Hertford. &#8220;We were big fans, we knew they had a studio and did their own recording,&#8221; says Mick. They recorded a two-track demo tape for their own use. Remarks Steve, &#8220;It was quite exciting, my first experience of recording!&#8221; The session included <em>Lady Fantasy<\/em> and <em>Alice<\/em>, the latter would go on to become part of <em>Forgotten Sons<\/em>. Also present was Chris &#8220;Privet&#8221; Hedge, a resident of Lang Marston, who was invited to the rehearsals during a party at Station Road.<br \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<span class=\"recite\">(Jon Collins: <a target=\"_blanck\" href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Marillion-Separated-Complete-History-1979-2002\/dp\/1900924498\" title=\"Jon Collins - Marillion\/Separated Out - The Complete History 1979-2002\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Marillion\/Separated Out &#8211; The Complete History 1979-2002<\/a>)<\/span><\/p>\n<p>\t\t\t\t\t\t<strong>Doug Irvine<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">&quot;The first time we ever recorded properly was at <em>The Enid&#8217;s<\/em> studio in the cellar of the house in which they all lived. Started at 20:00 finished 08:00 the following day.&quot;<br \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<span class=\"recite\">(Doug Irvine @ Facebook &#8211; 06.02.2022)<\/span><\/p>\n<p>\t\t\t\t\t\t<strong>Timeline-Inconsistencies<\/strong>\t\t\t\t\t<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">In September 2021 a 1981 demo tape named &#8220;Special Gold Edition&#8221; appeared on the scene. It was compiled by Privet at ITD (Independent Tape Duplications Ltd., the company he worked for at the time) and contains four songs: <em>The Web<\/em>, <em>Close<\/em>, <em>Alice<\/em> and <em>Lady Fantasy<\/em>. It&#8217;s Priv&#8217;s handwriting on the inlay, and he noted <em>Alice<\/em> and <em>Lady Fantasy<\/em> were <strong>&#8220;Recorded + Mixed at Enid Studio June\/July 1980&#8221;<\/strong>. This info contradicts all valid\/previous sources (f.e. <a class=\"openfancybox-image\" href=\"\/Marillion\/setlists\/wp-content\/uploads\/img\/gallery\/Marillion - The Web 01 - 02.jpg\" title=\"The Web: Issue No. 1 - February 1982 (page 1)\">The Web No. 1<\/a>, Jon Collins) claiming the first demo tape was recorded BEFORE the first Marillion concert (1st March 1980). On the other hand, the production time &#8220;June\/July&#8221; explains a demo title &#8220;Summer Demo&#8221; better than Jon Collins&#8217; &#8220;February&#8221; \ud83d\ude42<br \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<span class=\"recite\">(Andre Kreutzmann)<\/span><\/p>\n<ul class=\"toggle2 lineup\">\n<li>\n<h4 class=\"tgg-title\">Line-up<\/h4>\n<div class=\"tgg-content\" style=\"display: none;\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tDoug Irvine \u2013 Bass, Vocals<br \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tMick Pointer &#8211; Drums, Flute<br \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tSteve Rothery &#8211; Guitar<br \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tBrian Jelleyman &#8211; Keyboards\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul><\/div>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul class=\"toggle1\">\n<li class=\"mar1\">\n<h4 class=\"tgg-title\">20.09.1980 &#8211; Civic Centre, Berkhamsted<span class=\"flagSetlist\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"flag\" title=\"England\" alt=\"flag\" width=\"24\" height=\"24\" style=\"margin-top: -3px;\" src=\"https:\/\/www.morain.de\/archive\/wp-content\/uploads\/Flags\/England.png\" \/><\/span><\/h4>\n<div class=\"tgg-content\" style=\"display: none;\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\tSetlist unknown<\/p>\n<ul class=\"content-description\">\n<li class=\"pic lineup\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"\/Marillion\/setlists\/wp-content\/uploads\/img\/Marillion - Ad - Berkhamsted - 20.09.1980.jpg\" title=\"Ad: Bogart, Birmingham - 08.03.1980\" alt=\"Ad: Civic Centre, Berkhamsted - 20.09.1980\" height=\"550\" width=\"824\" \/><\/li>\n<li><i class=\"icon-info-circled\"><\/i> Thanks to Guy Tkach<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul class=\"toggle2 lineup\">\n<li>\n<h4 class=\"tgg-title\">Line-up<\/h4>\n<div class=\"tgg-content\" style=\"display: none;\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tDoug Irvine \u2013 Bass, Vocals<br \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tMick Pointer &#8211; Drums, Flute<br \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tSteve Rothery &#8211; Guitar<br \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tBrian Jelleyman &#8211; Keyboards\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul><\/div>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul class=\"toggle1\">\n<li class=\"mar1\">\n<h4 class=\"tgg-title\">March &#8211; November 1980<span class=\"flagSetlist\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"flag\" title=\"England\" alt=\"flag\" width=\"24\" height=\"24\" style=\"margin-top: -3px;\" src=\"https:\/\/www.morain.de\/archive\/wp-content\/uploads\/Flags\/England.png\" \/><\/span><\/h4>\n<div class=\"tgg-content\" style=\"display: none;\">\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">&quot;There were approximately 14 shows played between March and November 1980. Most of the locations of these shows remain unknown. Confirmed venues are <strong>St. Albans&#8217; Mental Hospital<\/strong> and the <strong>Watford Street Traders&#8217; Fair<\/strong>. In addition, shows are known to have been played in <strong>Luton<\/strong> and <strong>High Wycombe<\/strong>. The exact dates and locations are for now, and probably will remain forever, a mystery.&quot;<br \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<span class=\"recite\">(Bill Frech)<\/span><\/p>\n<p>\t\t\t\t\t\t<strong>Marillion\/Separated Out &#8211; The Complete History 1979-2002<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">After Berkhamsted, 14 dates were played between March and November 1980, including a <em>Battle Of The Bands<\/em> at the <strong>Horn Of Plenty in St. Albans<\/strong> and the <strong>Students Union in High Wycombe<\/strong>, where Doug&#8217;s girlfriend was President. Very early on, the band was keen to build a rapport with the people attending the gigs. Already, there were t-shirts, and before the performance the band handed out <a class=\"openfancybox-image\" title=\"Marillion: Handcut by Darrell Kirsop - 1980\" href=\"https:\/\/www.morain.de\/Marillion\/setlists\/wp-content\/uploads\/img\/Marillion - Handcut - 1980.jpg\">flyers<\/a> saying, &#8220;We hope, that you enjoy the gig and will come and see us again.&#8221; A phone number was included, so that budding fans could call to find out where the band was playing next. Not the actions of a typical pub band. Things were going so well that by autumn, they looked like they could carry on that way forever.<br \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<span class=\"recite\">(Jon Collins: <a target=\"_blanck\" href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Marillion-Separated-Complete-History-1979-2002\/dp\/1900924498\" title=\"Jon Collins - Marillion\/Separated Out - The Complete History 1979-2002\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Marillion\/Separated Out &#8211; The Complete History 1979-2002<\/a>)<\/span><\/p>\n<ul class=\"toggle2 lineup\">\n<li>\n<h4 class=\"tgg-title\">Line-up<\/h4>\n<div class=\"tgg-content\" style=\"display: none;\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tDoug Irvine \u2013 Bass, Vocals<br \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tMick Pointer &#8211; Drums, Flute<br \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tSteve Rothery &#8211; Guitar<br \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tBrian Jelleyman &#8211; Keyboards\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul><\/div>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul class=\"toggle1\">\n<li class=\"mar1\">\n<h4 class=\"tgg-title\">October &#8211; November 1980 &#8211; Leyland Hill Farm Studio, Gawcott (Close)<span class=\"flagSetlist\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"flag\" title=\"England\" alt=\"flag\" width=\"24\" height=\"24\" style=\"margin-top: -3px;\" src=\"https:\/\/www.morain.de\/archive\/wp-content\/uploads\/Flags\/England.png\" \/><\/span><\/h4>\n<div class=\"tgg-content\" style=\"display: none;\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t01 Close\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/p>\n<ul class=\"content-description heading\">\n<li><i class=\"icon-info-circled\"><\/i> According to Privet&#8217;s notes on the <em>Special Gold Edition<\/em> demo tape <em>Close<\/em> was:<br \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<span style=\"margin-left:20px;\">&bull; recorded from October to November 1980<\/span><br \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<span style=\"margin-left:20px;\">&bull; mixed in December 1980<\/span><\/li>\n<li><i class=\"icon-camera\"><\/i> <a class=\"openfancybox-image\" href=\"\/Marillion\/setlists\/wp-content\/uploads\/img\/Marillion - Lyrics - Close - 1980.jpg\" title=\"Lyrics: Alice - 1980\">Close<\/a> (lyrics transpripted by Paul Cavender)<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>\t\t\t\t\t\t<strong>Marillion\/Separated Out &#8211; The Complete History 1979-2002<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">By [October] November the time seemed right to capture the compositions, that were working so well live. A session was booked at <em>Leyland Farm<\/em> recording studio, in Gawcott, near Buckingham. <em>Leyland Farm<\/em> was owned by Wild Billy Barrett, a frequent partner of John Otway (a regular at Friars). The studio was not ideal, recalls Brian, &#8220;It was the lower part of a converted stable, with the mixing desk in the room above.&#8221; This had the unfortunate knock-on of not being able to see the person you were recording. Recalls Diz, &#8220;I think we got free studio time there, because Mick worked a deal where they used his microphones in exchange.&#8221; Nonetheless, it was a serviceable studio and the first session there was deemed a success.<br \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<span class=\"recite\">(Jon Collins: <a target=\"_blanck\" href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Marillion-Separated-Complete-History-1979-2002\/dp\/1900924498\" title=\"Jon Collins - Marillion\/Separated Out - The Complete History 1979-2002\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Marillion\/Separated Out &#8211; The Complete History 1979-2002<\/a>)<\/span><\/p>\n<p>\t\t\t\t\t\t<strong>The Extended Summer Demo<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">I found an interesting entry on Mike Eldon&#8217;s (long gone) website, <a class=\"iframe\" href=\"https:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20060104121032\/http:\/\/www.eldonm.freeserve.co.uk\/recordings.htm\">The Saliva Tear<\/a>: Mike lists two versions of the <em>Summer Demo<\/em> and assumes, <em>Close<\/em> was &#8220;recorded later on&#8221;. He just lists a song order of the second version &#8211; no date, no further infos, NO TITLE!<\/p>\n<ul class=\"content-description\" style=\"margin-bottom:15px;\">\n<li>\n<ul>\n<li>01 Alice<\/li>\n<li>02 Close<\/li>\n<li>03 Lady Fantasy<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Privet&#8217;s <em>Special Gold Edition<\/em> tape was compiled in late January 1981 at the earliest as it also includes the very first version of <em>The Web<\/em> (based on the <em>Close<\/em>-backing track, Fish&#8217;s lyrics were recorded 2nd January 1981 and the song was (re-)mixed 22nd January 1980). Maybe this tape was a &#8220;special edition&#8221; as it also includes a (then) newly finished song? Who knows? Before that, the <em>Summer Demo<\/em> (June &#8211; July 1980) was simply upgraded by <em>Close<\/em> (October &#8211; December 1980) &#8211; actually making the <em>Summer Demo<\/em> to a <em>Winter Demo<\/em> \ud83d\ude42 Have you ever heard of a Marillion <em>Winter Demo<\/em>? No? Me not, either&#8230;<\/p>\n<p><p style=\"text-align: justify\">I emphasise this, because I think, the &#8220;well known&#8221; and widespread titles <em>Spring Demo<\/em> and <em>Summer Demo<\/em> are fan made relicts of the bootleg era. I doubt, Marillion used or created these titles! Is it known, that all 1980 demos were exclusively made for internal purposes, so there was no need for &#8220;bloomy&#8221; titles&#8230;<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">There is another interesting aspect concerning the&#8230; OK, let&#8217;s call it&#8230; <em>Summer Demo<\/em>: all (!) known &#8220;versions&#8221; of all (!) songs included in this tape &#8211; no matter if faster\/slower, high-pitched\/low-pitched, crappy sound\/great sound &#8211; lead back to ONE source-tape! The most noticeable evidence is in <em>Lady Fantasy<\/em> (at around three minutes, in the beginning of Rothers guitar solo): the tape error! There is simply no other version of <em>Lady Fantasy<\/em> around without this error! So-called &#8220;different versions&#8221; are just a result of 80ties analog copying processes and belong to the &#8220;land of fairy tales&#8221;!<br \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<span class=\"recite\">(Andre Kreutzmann)<\/span><\/p>\n<ul class=\"toggle2 lineup\">\n<li>\n<h4 class=\"tgg-title\">Line-up<\/h4>\n<div class=\"tgg-content\" style=\"display: none;\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tDoug Irvine \u2013 Bass, Vocals<br \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tMick Pointer &#8211; Drums, Flute<br \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tSteve Rothery &#8211; Guitar<br \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tBrian Jelleyman &#8211; Keyboards\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul><\/div>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul class=\"toggle1\">\n<li class=\"mar1\">\n<h4 class=\"tgg-title\">14.11.1980 &#8211; Red Lion Pub, Bicester<span class=\"flagSetlist\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"flag\" title=\"England\" alt=\"flag\" width=\"24\" height=\"24\" style=\"margin-top: -3px;\" src=\"https:\/\/www.morain.de\/archive\/wp-content\/uploads\/Flags\/England.png\" \/><\/span><\/h4>\n<div class=\"tgg-content\" style=\"display: none;\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\tSetlist unknown<\/p>\n<ul class=\"content-description\">\n<li><i class=\"icon-camera\"><\/i> <a class=\"openfancybox-image\" href=\"\/Marillion\/setlists\/wp-content\/uploads\/img\/Marillion - Handbill - Bicester - 14.11.1980.jpg\" title=\"Handbill: Red Lion Pub, Bicester - 14.11.1980\">Handbill<\/a>, provided by <a href=\"https:\/\/www.morain.de\/Marillion\/setlists\/markos-marillion-museum\/\" target=\"_blanck\" title=\"Marko\u2019s Marillion Museum\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Marko\u2019s Marillion Museum<\/a><\/li>\n<li><i class=\"icon-info-circled\"><\/i> Last show with Doug Irvine<\/li>\n<li class=\"mar2\"><i class=\"icon-camera\"><\/i> <a class=\"openfancybox-image\" href=\"\/Marillion\/setlists\/wp-content\/uploads\/img\/Marillion - MSS - Doug Irvine and Mick Pointer - 2017.jpg\" title=\"Doug Irvine and Mick Pointer - 2017\">Doug Irvine and Mick Pointer<\/a> (2017)<\/li>\n<li class=\"pic lineup\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"\/Marillion\/setlists\/wp-content\/uploads\/img\/Marillion - Marillion - Bicester - 14.11.1980.jpg\" alt=\"Marillion: Red Lion Pub, Bicester - 14.11.1980 - Photo by Steve Rothery\" title=\"Marillion: Red Lion Pub, Bicester - 14.11.1980 - Photo by Steve Rothery\" height=\"auto\" width=\"100%\" \/><\/li>\n<li><i class=\"icon-info-circled\"><\/i> Photo taken from Steve Rothery&#8217;s book <a href=\"https:\/\/www.marillion.com\/shop\/merch\/postcardsfromtheroad.htm\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">Postcard From The Road<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul class=\"toggle2 lineup\">\n<li>\n<h4 class=\"tgg-title\">Line-up<\/h4>\n<div class=\"tgg-content\" style=\"display: none;\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tDoug Irvine \u2013 Bass, Vocals<br \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tMick Pointer &#8211; Drums, Flute<br \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tSteve Rothery &#8211; Guitar<br \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tBrian Jelleyman &#8211; Keyboards\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul><\/div>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul class=\"toggle1\">\n<li class=\"mar1\">\n<h4 class=\"tgg-title\">November 1980<span class=\"flagSetlist\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"flag\" title=\"England\" alt=\"flag\" width=\"24\" height=\"24\" style=\"margin-top: -3px;\" src=\"https:\/\/www.morain.de\/archive\/wp-content\/uploads\/Flags\/England.png\" \/><\/span><\/h4>\n<div class=\"tgg-content\" style=\"display: none;\">\n<p>\t\t\t\t\t\t<strong>In Shades Of Green Through Shades Of Blue &#8211; Chapter Two, 1977-1981<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">High were the spirits, with the studio time booked, but suddenly, out of the blue, Doug decided to leave the band. Having been together with Doug since the first days of <em>Electric Gypsy<\/em> in 1977, and living on and off with him in his cottage in Long Marston, his break from the band was particularly hard to take for Mick. When Doug broke the news of leaving, Mick nearly knocked the band on the head. &#8220;I got on fantastically well with Doug. We just hit it off together musically, our ideas and how we wanted things to be. Doug got out of music because of a woman, it was one of the biggest shock&#8217;s of my life, when he did that. I must say, at the time I did feel like giving up, and I got to say, very much so, felt like giving up. Cause it was a major knock to me losing Doug, cause he was like my soulmate, really, but by that time I knew Steve Rothery and the keyboard player Brian Jelleyman was in the band, and as you know, we put the advert in the paper.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Mick got to keep the mellotron, Doug only took their first ever demo tape with him, and apart from Steve Rothery coincidently spotting Doug at a Sainsbury&#8217;s car park about ten years later, none of them had contact with him ever again. Mick: &#8220;I also had a tape of all the <em>Silmarillion<\/em> music, and about two days before Doug left the band, he said: &#8220;Oh, have you got that tape, cause I want to listen to it&#8221;. And I handed him the only tape of <em>Silmarillion<\/em> music. I remember giving it to him. If only I had that tape! A lot of the early stuff from that period found its way onto <em>Script For A Jester&#8217;s Tear<\/em>. Doug left, I think it was around November 1980. I never saw him again after that day. He just disappeared. Never heard, never did anything, ever. It was really strange cause he was so enthusiastic, really, really wanted to make it, he always said: &#8220;If I don&#8217;t make it by the time I&#8217;m 26, I&#8217;m gonna give up&#8221;. No, it was women that did it, he met this girl, I think, at a gig we did in High-Wycombe, and he just disappeared.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">After a band meeting in the local pub they decided to carry on, they had nevertheless played a fair amount of gigs throughout the last eight months, and they felt they were on the right track to fame. The band situation was not the only one they had to master, though, because having lived with Doug, Steve was suddenly without a place to live. Luckily, their sound engineer Privet Hedge and their roadie <a class=\"openfancybox-image\" class=\"pic\" href=\"\/Marillion\/setlists\/wp-content\/uploads\/img\/Marillion - Guy Hewison - 1981.jpg\" title=\"Guy Hewison - Photo by Stef Jeffery Depolla\">Guy Hewison<\/a> solved that problem. Mick says: &#8220;Privet had been with us since the <em>Silmarillion<\/em> days. There was a friend of Neil and Martin&#8217;s that bought a sound system, we had a mixing desk and a PA-system and things, and he wasn&#8217;t very good at using it, and I remember Privet, never used it before, but just seemed to have a very good neck of using it and managed to get a better sound that this other guy did, although it was his equipment. And I think Privet had a friend, I can&#8217;t remember who, but I think we got to know Guy via this friend of Privet. And Guy then moved into this house in Aston Clinton, and he shared this house with Privet, and Steve Rothery was living in that house. And that was the house that Fish and Diz moved into, when they first came down. I never lived in that house [Mick moved to 53 Quainton Road, Waddesdon].&#8221;<br \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<span class=\"recite\">(Claus Nygaard: <a href=\"http:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20090415060940if_\/http:\/\/www.marillion.rocks.it:80\/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">In Shades Of Green Through Shades Of Blue &#8211; The Story of Marillion with Fish<\/a>)<\/span><\/p>\n<p>\t\t\t\t\t\t<strong>Marillion\/Separated Out &#8211; The Complete History 1979-2002<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Guy had met the band through his sister Claire, who used to drink at the Queen&#8217;s Head in Long Marston, one of Steve&#8217;s favoured haunts. &#8220;I got involved &#8216;cos I was over 21, so I was the only one who could drive a transit!&#8221; remarks Guy, referring to the unreliable, green Commer van <em>Margaret<\/em>. Guy also mucked in as crew and booking agent and, remembers Steve Rothery, &#8220;He fancied himself as our manager.&#8221; As Guy rented the house by this time, nobody was about to complain.<br \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<span class=\"recite\">(Jon Collins: <a target=\"_blanck\" href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Marillion-Separated-Complete-History-1979-2002\/dp\/1900924498\" title=\"Jon Collins - Marillion\/Separated Out - The Complete History 1979-2002\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Marillion\/Separated Out &#8211; The Complete History 1979-2002<\/a>)<\/span><\/p>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul class=\"toggle1\">\n<li class=\"mar1\">\n<h4 class=\"tgg-title\">December 1980<span class=\"flagSetlist\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"flag\" title=\"England\" alt=\"flag\" width=\"24\" height=\"24\" style=\"margin-top: -3px;\" src=\"https:\/\/www.morain.de\/archive\/wp-content\/uploads\/Flags\/England.png\" \/><\/span><\/h4>\n<div class=\"tgg-content\" style=\"display: none;\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<strong>In Shades Of Green Through Shades Of Blue &#8211; Chapter Two, 1977-1981<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">When Marillion placed their <a class=\"openfancybox-image\"  href=\"\/Marillion\/setlists\/wp-content\/uploads\/img\/Marillion - Ad - Musicians Only - December 1980.jpg\" title=\"Ad: Musicians Only - December 1980\">ad in <em>Musicians Only<\/em><\/a>, and sent out this tape, they attracted two young guys kicking about in Scotland, who were determined for a career in music. One was called Derek William Dick, nicknamed Fish, and the other one was more commonly named Robert William Minnitt, nicknamed Diz. They were among the people reflecting on the advertisement. On 10th December 1980 Mick Pointer&#8217;s girlfriend, Stef &#8211; who had once been Doug Irvine&#8217;s girlfriend &#8211; <a class=\"openfancybox-image\"  href=\"\/Marillion\/setlists\/wp-content\/uploads\/img\/Marillion - Letter - For Fish And Diz - December 1980.jpg\" title=\"Letter - 10.12.1980 - Photo taken from the book ''Market Square Heroes - The Authorized Story Of Marillion'' by Mick Wall (1987)\">mailed out the demo tape<\/a> with <em>Close<\/em> to Fish and Diz, who themselves had only been together in music for a short period, when they decided to apply for the jobs in Marillion. <\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">So there they were, after having spent half a year together, desperate to get a band going, when Diz one day saw Marillion&#8217;s advertisement for a singing bassist in <em>Musicians Only<\/em> and together with Fish decided that this was just the band they had to be in. A band in the outskirts of London! They replied to the ad, and over the phone negotiations to split the free vocalist\/bassist spot into two took place, as Fish could not play bass and Diz could not sing.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">During December demo cassettes and letters were mailed back and forth between the two parties, and within a few weeks Fish and Diz got the okay to come down to the roadie <a class=\"openfancybox-image\" class=\"pic\" href=\"\/Marillion\/setlists\/wp-content\/uploads\/img\/Marillion - Guy Hewison - 1981.jpg\" title=\"Guy Hewison - Photo by Stef Jeffery Depolla\">Guy Hewison<\/a>&#8216;s cottage in Aston Clinton to audition for the jobs.<br \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<span class=\"recite\">(Claus Nygaard: <a href=\"http:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20090415060940if_\/http:\/\/www.marillion.rocks.it:80\/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">In Shades Of Green Through Shades Of Blue &#8211; The Story of Marillion with Fish<\/a>)<\/span><\/p>\n<p>\t\t\t\t\t\t<strong>Diz Minnitt &#8211; In His Own Words&#8230;<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">&quot;<a class=\"openfancybox-image\" class=\"pic\" href=\"\/Marillion\/setlists\/wp-content\/uploads\/img\/Marillion - Fish - 1980.jpg\" title=\"Fish\">Fish<\/a> and I were living in Ettrick Bridge in a five bedroom holiday cottage called &quot;Hawkshaw&quot;. We managed to live there after Fish had convinced the estate agency to open the cottage over the winter and that we were a band called <em>Sirius<\/em> (cue &quot;you can\u2019t be Sirius&quot; joke here) who needed somewhere to write over the winter. The <a class=\"openfancybox-image\" class=\"pic\" href=\"\/Marillion\/setlists\/wp-content\/uploads\/img\/Marillion - Lyrics - Garden Party - December 1980.jpg\" title=\"Diz Minnitt: Garden Party - Ettrick Bridge - December 1980\">pre-Marillion version of <em>Garden Party<\/em><\/a> (just bass and vocals and very different to the later Marillion version &#8211; it sounded as good as this description of it sounds \ud83d\ude42) was from memory included on the demo that we sent to the band prior to moving down to Aston Clinton on 1st January 1981.&quot;<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">&quot;<a class=\"openfancybox-image\" class=\"pic\" href=\"\/Marillion\/setlists\/wp-content\/uploads\/img\/Marillion - Diz Minnitt - Scribbling Pad - December 1980.jpg\" title=\"Diz Minnitt: Scribbling Pad - December 1980\">It was Mick that I called<\/a> when I phoned about the advert for bass player\/vocalist, and had the original conversation from the phone box in Ettrick Bridge while Fish was in the pub. As I only had one 10p piece I had to get Mick him to call me back, &quot;Where\u2019s Ettrick Bridge?&quot; &quot;Scottish Borders&#8230; but don\u2019t worry about that&quot;. The trickiest part was initially convincing Mick that they didn\u2019t need a singing bass player, what they needed was a bass player and a strong frontman\/vocalist. Once we had that discussion it opened the communications, and we sent them a tape, and they did the same. Fish took over the communications (happy for him to do that)&#8230; although to be accurate Derek took over the communications as that is how I knew him until the point we joined Marillion, and he introduced himself as FISH \ud83d\ude42&quot;<br \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<span class=\"recite\">(Diz Minnitt @ Facebook &#8211; 01.10.2020)<\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"row\">\n<div class=\"grid8\">\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">&quot;I have just found a copy of the original tape that we sent to Marillion:<\/p>\n<table>\n<tr>\n<td style=\"vertical-align:top; width:9%;\">No. 1:<\/td>\n<td style=\"width:91%\">Fish singing along to <em>Genesis<\/em>: <em>More Fool Me<\/em><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td style=\"vertical-align:top;\">No. 2:<\/td>\n<td>Fish singing along to <em>Genesis<\/em>: <em>Dancing With The Moonlit Knight<\/em><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td style=\"vertical-align:top;\">No. 3:<\/td>\n<td>Fish singing to Jon Anderson: <em>Take Your Time<\/em><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td style=\"vertical-align:top;\">No. 4:<\/td>\n<td>Fish singing to <em>Mannfred Manns Earth Band<\/em>: <em>Belle Of The Earth<\/em><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td style=\"vertical-align:top;\">No. 5:<\/td>\n<td>Bass and vocals version of <em>Guards Of Magog<\/em> section of <em>Supper&#8217;s Ready<\/em><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td style=\"vertical-align:top;\">No. 6:<\/td>\n<td>Fish giving an audio biography of his previous experience as a singer. Interesting to hear the original shy Derek before the development of the Fish persona. This is followed by me giving an audio biography of my own musical history. It is clear that I did send down a recording of <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=Rcbb3n72Njo\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">The Stone Dome Band<\/a> and I refer to Fish as Derek throughout as he hadn&#8217;t yet fully adopted this. This then goes into Fish giving a history of <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=Rcbb3n72Njo\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">The Stone Dome Band<\/a> and the subsequent attempts to form a band in Cambridge, including the story behind&#8230;<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td style=\"vertical-align:top;\">No. 7:<\/td>\n<td><em>Garden Party<\/em>, bass and vocals only, and the story behind&#8230;(this version has echoes of <em>The Institution Waltz<\/em>)<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td style=\"vertical-align:top;\">No. 8:<\/td>\n<td><em>Crystal Epitaph<\/em>, bass and vocals only. This captures some of his common themes about life, including the line &#8220;son watches father scan obituary columns in search of absent school friends&#8221; as well as the harlequin reference, and he then gives the story behind what was at that point the &#8220;4th arrangement&#8221; of&#8230;<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td style=\"vertical-align:top;\">No. 9:<\/td>\n<td><em>The Web<\/em>, bass and vocals only. The introduction of the crying Jester&#8230;<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/table>\n<div class=\"recite\" style=\"margin-bottom:18px;\">(Diz Minnitt @ <a href=\"https:\/\/www.morain.de\/Marillion\/setlists\/markos-marillion-museum\/interviews\/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">Marko&#8217;s Marillion Museum<\/a>)<\/div>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<div class=\"grid4\"><a class=\"openfancybox-image nolightbox\" href=\"https:\/\/www.morain.de\/Marillion\/setlists\/wp-content\/uploads\/img\/Marillion - Fish - December 1980.jpg\" title=\"Fish: Application photo - December 1980\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.morain.de\/Marillion\/setlists\/wp-content\/uploads\/img\/Marillion - Thumb - Fish - December 1980.jpg\" alt=\"Fish: Application photo - December 1980\" title=\"Fish: Application photo - December 1980\" width=\"218\" height=\"425\" class=\"alignright size-full wp-image-5793\" \/><\/a><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>\t\t\t\t\t\t<strong>The Script &#8211; An Illustrated Biography<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">In reply, Marillion sent a tape of their own containing versions of <em>Close<\/em> and <em>Lady Fantasy<\/em>. The cottage dwellers [Diz and Fish] were impressed by the sound but felt, the vocals were weak. Fish was particularly impressed with Steve&#8217;s fretwork, &#8220;I thought fuck, this guitarist is brilliant. I&#8217;ve got to work with him. To me, the tape had everything, that I thought I could move into and contribute to the point, that it would be a real band&#8221;.<br \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<span class=\"recite\">(Clive Gifford: <a target=\"_blanck\" href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.co.uk\/Marillion-Script-Clive-Gifford\/dp\/0711911134\" title=\"Clive Gifford: The Script - An Illustrated Biography\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">The Script &#8211; An Illustrated Biography <\/a>)<\/span><\/p>\n<p>\t\t\t\t\t\t<strong>In Shades Of Green Through Shades Of Blue &#8211; Chapter Two, 1977-1981<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">So out they set on their southbound drive on 31st December 1980 to team up with the members and crew of the Aylesbury based band Marillion. Two wanna-be&#8217;s, pretending to be hotshots in the Scottish rock business, arrived in style the following day in Diz Minnitt&#8217;s Norton-car with <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=Rcbb3n72Njo\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">The Stone Dome Band<\/a> painted on the outside, just to add that touch of flavour to their dreams and stories &#8211; and to underline the fact that they had been in a successful rock band before.<br \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<span class=\"recite\">(Claus Nygaard: <a href=\"http:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20090415060940if_\/http:\/\/www.marillion.rocks.it:80\/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">In Shades Of Green Through Shades Of Blue &#8211; The Story of Marillion with Fish<\/a>)<\/span><\/p>\n<p>\t\t\t\t\t\t<strong>Marillion\/Separated Out &#8211; The Complete History 1979-2002<\/strong><\/p>\n<div style=\"text-align: justify\">The journey was a little more fraught than planned, as (according to Diz) the pair got rather lost along the way. Eventually they arrived at Aston Clinton, then Weston Road. &#8220;We turned up outside, and they all came out, thinking that we&#8217;d come for an audition,&#8221; remembers Diz. &#8220;We said, bugger the audition, we&#8217;re here and that&#8217;s that!&#8221; The residents were not so sure. Mick remembers thinking, &#8220;a big, loud, tall, arrogant Scotsman, just what we needed.&#8221; The band allowed the van to be uploaded before everyone headed for the <em>Rothschild Arms<\/em>, a pub a few doors down, to exchange rounds and pleasantries and leave the harder decisions for the days that followed.<br \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<span class=\"recite\">(Jon Collins: <a target=\"_blanck\" href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Marillion-Separated-Complete-History-1979-2002\/dp\/1900924498\" title=\"Jon Collins - Marillion\/Separated Out - The Complete History 1979-2002\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Marillion\/Separated Out &#8211; The Complete History 1979-2002<\/a>)<\/span><\/div>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul><\/div>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<div class=\"pullquote left\" style=\"margin-top:30px;width:100%\">Competent bassist\/vocalist required for established progressive rock group with own material, based in Aylesbury area. Must have professional outlook. Genuine callers only please. No time wasters! Waddesdon 8104 evenings.<cite class=\" color1\"><a class=\"openfancybox-image\" href=\"\/Marillion\/setlists\/wp-content\/uploads\/img\/Marillion - Ad - Musicians Only - 06.12.1980.jpg\" title=\"Ad: Musicians Only - 06.12.1980\">Musicians Only, 06.12.1980<\/a><\/cite><\/div>\n<div class=\"space\"><\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>1977 &#8211; 1980 From Electric Gypsy To Marillion Mick Pointer In His Own Words&#8230; &quot;This photo is of Electric Gypsy (Doug Irvine &#8211; Bass, Alan King &#8211; Vocals, Andy Glass &#8211; Guitars and me), I&#8217;m pretty sure this is 1978. 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